Both are good forms. Juyo's limitation is anger and dark emotion, because they have limits. But Juyo is a deadly form because of its unpredictable moves, not because superior strength. Djem So, on the other hand, is focused on dominating its foes, although has a lack of mobility. It's all about strength. Strength doesn't have limit when combined with the Force. You can keep empower yourself with the Force to become stronger.
Juyo = unpredictable moves, speed, strength (close to Djem So's strength)
Djem So = superior strength, dominating its foe, and some users can use the Force to become faster too, like Anakin
Both are good to combined with force rage. I respect those forms, they are equal in my opinion.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
It depends. Djem So has that effective blaster deflect thing. Juyo is the suxorz vs blasters.Djem So is better in general.
Juyo is better as a dueling form.
...No. Djem So is exclusively devoted to dueling. Shien, a variation of Form V, is specifically devoted to deflecting blasters.
Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Both are good forms. Juyo's limitation is anger and dark emotion, because they have limits.
Wait, anger has limits now? Since when? I can get pretty pissed off.
But Juyo is a deadly form because of its unpredictable moves, not because superior strength.
Not true. Juyo is more physically powerful than Djem So. I posted several quotes describing both Juyo and Djem So in the 'Dooku vs. Maul & Ventress' thread. I can paste them if you'd like.
Djem So, on the other hand, is focused on dominating its foes, although has a lack of mobility. It's all about strength. Strength doesn't have limit when combined with the Force. You can keep empower yourself with the Force to become stronger.
Erm, that's also not true. All Force-users are limited by the fact that they're not infinitely powerful in the Force, and thus, no - strength has a cap. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by beast1234
djem so is more powerful than juyo because it foucs on brute strength
I prefer to say that Djem So is stronger Juyo, but Juyo is more unpredictable than Djem So, if this is between two force-users at the same level. Both are good. Really depends on the user.
When I saw in your post the word "powerful", it seems like Djem So > Juyo in every way.
Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
I prefer to say that Djem So is stronger Juyo, but Juyo is more unpredictable than Djem So, if this is between two force-users at the same level. Both are good. Really depends on the user.
From Revenge of the Sith novelization, taken from Count Dooku's point of view:
"His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head."
"He dropped low and spun into another reverse ankle-sweep-the weakness of Djem So was its lack of mobility-that slapped Skywalker's boot sharply enough to throw the young Jedi off balance..."
From Jedi vs. Sith, Cin Drallig describing the lightsaber forms:
"Form IV, also called Ataru, is the most acrobatic Form, filled with numerous elaborate moves...By incorporating all the Force powers that enable one to exceed standard norms of physical possibilities, Jedi may resemble nothing less than a blur when they utilize Form IV."
"Forms V focuses on strength and lightsaber attack moves...Form V's Djem So variation is devoted specifically to lightsaber dueling. A dedication to power and strength necessary to defeat an opponent is characterizes the philosophy of Form V..."
"Juyo is the most difficult and demanding of all forms. Only high-level masters of multiple forms can achieve and control this discipline, which can lead to fantastic power and skill. Form VII employs bold, direct movements, more open and kinetic than Form V, but not so elaborate in appearance as the acrobatic Form IV. Unlike Form V, Form VII requires greater energy because the focus is wielded more broadly, and draws upon a deeper well of emotion; while the outward bearing of a Form VII practitioner is one of calm, the inner pressure verges on explosion. And unlike the graceful, linked movements of Form IV, Form VII tactics overwhelm opponents with seemingly unconnected staccato sequences. This combination of traits makes Form VII highly unpredictable in battle."
From Shatterpoint, Yoda speaking:
"Six there were for generations of Jedi. The seventh, is not well-known. Powerful form it is. Deadliest of all."
So there you go. Juyo, per the sourcebook, generates more kinetic energy (power/strength) than Form V - Djem So. Not only that, but it doesn't have the weakness that Djem So has, either, because it also uses sequences from Form IV, which sometimes allow the user to appear as a blur because they move with such speed and fluidity.
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Originally posted by Ultimate Vader
Makashi looks like fencing moves.IMO.
IMO, of course 😬