Originally posted by Bada's PalinWhich only hit Kirabi cause he was bigger than a building. And didn't actually hurt him anyway, he was shown to actually emerge from it unscathed.
Oh yeah, I didn't see Sasuke using Amaterasu.Nor did I see Sasuke trying to kill him.
I didn't see Kirabi trying at all.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which only hit Kirabi cause he was bigger than a building. And didn't actually hurt him anyway, he was shown to actually emerge from it unscathed.I didn't see Kirabi trying at all.
- Oh yeah, it's not like Sasuke stopped it or anything. And yes, I'm sure that the eight tail would've "dodged" it.
- Look harder.
Originally posted by Bada's PalinHe stopped it after it had already been burning him for a while, and his "body" was shown to be peeling skin. But then we see his real body is just fine. Eight Tails dodge it? No. Kirabi could though, what with being faster than Sasuke, who dodged it.
- Oh yeah, it's not like Sasuke stopped it or anything. And yes, I'm sure that the eight tail would've "dodged" it.- Look harder.
Look harder at what? Kirabi didn't even want to fight, yet was beating Sasuke and his team simultaneously. He blocked Suigetsu's sword with one hand then took out Jugo with the sword, almost killed Sasuke with utmost ease, then took on all three when Sasuke was healed.
Hachibi was hurt. Hachibi even stated it lost several of its tails. It had to use a kawarimi with a severed tail to survive, As stated a desperation move. It would have died if sasuke didnt cut off the tail for karins life.
And Sasuke was still hurt from Itachi fight so Sasuke the front man wasnt even 100%.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
You missed the main part of my post.The only occurence of Sasuke using "supersonic" speed was hyperbole.
And their are characters faster than Sasuke. Kirabi outmaneuvered and mortally wounded Sasuke, while Sasuke had the Sharingan activated.
And Sasuke isn't even in this thread...
Its not hyperbole. it was stated by Kishi that The atatck he dodged while carring dead weight on him was supersonic. He dodged it with Shunshin. Shunshin wasnt even usd in the fight between kirabi and Sasuke and Sasuke wasnt 100%.
And Sasuke along with Taka are members of Akatasuki. The manga even goes to states when a situation is hyperbole like when they staed Madara could move at lightspeed. That was hyperbole.
but Sasuke surpassing supersonic speeds with his shunshin isnt hyperbole. And he has gotten even faster. Its a teleporation jutsu. That most ninja can do. Just Sasuke's is the fastest.
Originally posted by Slaanesh
deidara has no problem reacting to sasuke speed..sasuke was only able to get behind deidara because tobi distracted him..
yes and no. Sasuke wasnt aiming at Dei. If sasuke aiming for him he would have got dei. Sasuke caught Itachi off guard and he had Sharingan and could barely trace his movements. Also Tobi didnt really distract Dei. Sasuke was standing right infront of Tobi. So dei was looking right at him. Sasuke was just literally THAT fast
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
It depends on the user how fast it is. And no one in Naruto is supersonic speed.
is continuously depowering naruto characters to the point of ridicule a hobby of yours? sasuke against the sound nin, pre shippuden, with his newly acquired cursed seal level 1 was able to travel faster than sound WHILE carrying naruto and sakura with reletive ease. needless to say he is much MUCH faster now. the only HYPERBOLE in naruto, speedwise, was haku moving at lightspeed and sasuke actually being able to keep UP with him. naruto even in 1 tail was moving so fast that the incoming log of wood was burnt to ashed before it touched him simply by the turbulence of the air around him. not supersonic my ass.
bleach characters look faster in the anime because of the cinematic ANGLES. compare the mangas without any bias or input from the anime and u wont be able to come up with much saying, that one is faster than the other at all.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
is continuously depowering naruto characters to the point of ridicule a hobby of yours? sasuke against the sound nin, pre shippuden, with his newly acquired cursed seal level 1 was able to travel faster than sound WHILE carrying naruto and sakura with reletive ease. needless to say he is much MUCH faster now. the only HYPERBOLE in naruto, speedwise, was haku moving at lightspeed and sasuke actually being able to keep UP with him. naruto even in 1 tail was moving so fast that the incoming log of wood was burnt to ashed before it touched him simply by the turbulence of the air around him. not supersonic my ass.bleach characters look faster in the anime because of the cinematic ANGLES. compare the mangas without any bias or input from the anime and u wont be able to come up with much saying, that one is faster than the other at all.
For the MOST part agreed.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. The statements that Haku was lightspeed and Sasuke was supersonic was from the exact same source, both are hyperbole, especially the Haku shit. Naruto 1 Tailed burned the wood to ashes with the turbulance of the air around him? Or...It could be because the Kyuubi chakra emanates heat. 😐 Shit, Sasuke had some desgree of trouble dodging the kunai from Itachi, who wasn't even trying to kill Sasuke, and Kishi confirmed the kunai in Naruto are not as fast as bullets.
is continuously depowering naruto characters to the point of ridicule a hobby of yours? sasuke against the sound nin, pre shippuden, with his newly acquired cursed seal level 1 was able to travel faster than sound WHILE carrying naruto and sakura with reletive ease. needless to say he is much MUCH faster now. the only HYPERBOLE in naruto, speedwise, was haku moving at lightspeed and sasuke actually being able to keep UP with him. naruto even in 1 tail was moving so fast that the incoming log of wood was burnt to ashed before it touched him simply by the turbulence of the air around him. not supersonic my ass.bleach characters look faster in the anime because of the cinematic ANGLES. compare the mangas without any bias or input from the anime and u wont be able to come up with much saying, that one is faster than the other at all.
2. Angles? Lul wut? They are faster by quantifiable feats. Kyoraku while carrying dead wait traveled several miles with a leap, in an instant. Ichigo in an instant block thousands of razor sharp and fast petals from all sides. Kenpachi Zaraki was able to dodge the sword slashes of Tosen, a captain level, simply because he could feet Tosen's sword hit his clothes which allowed him to dodge at the last second. Bleachers are faster.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. The statements that Haku was lightspeed and Sasuke was supersonic was from the exact same source, both are hyperbole, especially the Haku shit. Naruto 1 Tailed burned the wood to ashes with the turbulance of the air around him? Or...It could be because the Kyuubi chakra emanates heat. 😐 Shit, Sasuke had some desgree of trouble dodging the kunai from Itachi, who wasn't even trying to kill Sasuke, and Kishi confirmed the kunai in Naruto are not as fast as bullets.2. Angles? Lul wut? They are faster by quantifiable feats. Kyoraku while carrying dead wait traveled several miles with a leap, in an instant. Ichigo in an instant block thousands of razor sharp and fast petals from all sides. Kenpachi Zaraki was able to dodge the sword slashes of Tosen, a captain level, simply because he could feet Tosen's sword hit his clothes which allowed him to dodge at the last second. Bleachers are faster.
I dont ever remember from any source That Haku was lightspeed. And the attack that Sasuke dodge was supersonic. Which reffers to him being faster than Supersonic. Is it really that hard to beleive.There are faster speed feats. Hell there are people in manga that can catch bullets and dodge them with ease. Bullets are few times faster than sound i beleive.
Makyou Hyoushou is a Ninjutsu technique which uses nearby water to form long flat ice mirrors 360 degrees around the target. Haku himself then places his body inside one of the mirrors. Once inside the mirror, Haku can use the mirror reflections to confuse his target. Utilizing the reflections, Haku can almost instantaneously move from one mirror to the other. Due to the speed, his target will appear to be moving in slow motion. Because of this he can unleash numerous needles into his opponent with little difficulty. Using this technique for long periods of time however, will quickly use up Haku's chakra.
Hear is one of the mroe correct descriptions of is Ice mirrors attack.
Sasuke is clearly over Suspersonic speed with Shunshin. A JUTSU. not his regular speed. Yet your willing to say that Madara cant keep up. Why. Because of a jutsu. IF Minato placed his tag on the other side of the world. He could get there Instantly. Why because its a jutsu. Justsu make that impossible possible. Just Sasuke with this jutsu. Pushes it further than anyone else
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. The statements that Haku was lightspeed and Sasuke was supersonic was from the exact same source, both are hyperbole, especially the Haku shit. Naruto 1 Tailed burned the wood to ashes with the turbulance of the air around him? Or...It could be because the Kyuubi chakra emanates heat. 😐 Shit, Sasuke had some desgree of trouble dodging the kunai from Itachi, who wasn't even trying to kill Sasuke, and Kishi confirmed the kunai in Naruto are not as fast as bullets.2. Angles? Lul wut? They are faster by quantifiable feats. Kyoraku while carrying dead wait traveled several miles with a leap, in an instant. Ichigo in an instant block thousands of razor sharp and fast petals from all sides. Kenpachi Zaraki was able to dodge the sword slashes of Tosen, a captain level, simply because he could feet Tosen's sword hit his clothes which allowed him to dodge at the last second. Bleachers are faster.
same source????? they happened in two very different places in the manga. one tailed naruto's chakra was only hot enough to produce a LITTLE steam on the water he was standing on. and BTW, the naruto that BURNED that LOG wasnt even 1 tailed, he was just kyuubi CHAKRA naruto as i recall. the chakra burns slowly, NOT with the heat of friggin sodium. ur explanation doesnt make sense as u can see, it was his SPEED which burned it. kishi "confirmed" that fact in the early or late part of the chuunin exam arc if i remember. a LOT of time has passed since then, and basically you are pisking the lowest level feats of characters. why dont you mention pre shippuden rock lee with his gates open hitting gaara hundreds of times, coming, in from the entire distance of the stadium in the blink of an eye? doesnt matter, the instance of sasuke with the partial curse seal defeating that sound guy more than proves that even then, he wss going beyond mach 1.
yes, one leap, which took.....................one panel. time is never mentioned. faster than even rock lee with his gates open..............naaah not really sure about that. or how about sasuke reaching to the top of where diedara was flying in his clay bird above the explosives in the blink of an eye from the ground? how about itachi reacting to kirin and creating susano? ichigo's feat was one of REFLEXES not of SPEED as far as cutting down the blades, there are many more feats of REFLEXES in naruto too. and tousen wasnt exactly FAST. gaara's sand alone was keeping up with sasuke's normal punches even AFTER they had made contact, creating spikes and stuff by his conciouss control. again, there are NO quantifyable feats by which bleachers are faster or stronger than naruto characters. infact, its the opposite. the only difference is the ANIME gives characters arbitrary speed depending on STYLE of animation and fluidity. mangas have none of that.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. The Databook I believe, which is full of hyperbole. One Tails was also hot enough to destroy a log apparently. And dude, you just said it was one tailed Naruto, pick one. Kishi confirmed it was Naruto's speed which burned it? Prove this please. I'm not picking the lowest level of feats for characters, other than a single piece of hyperbole, there is absolutely no indication of them being able to move at sound speed. Pre Shippuden Rock Lee with the 5 Gates open is much faster than most in the series, Sasuke included, and even then it was not sound speed, he was moving across a span of 15 feet in distance, and did not hit Gaara hundreds of times, you just pulled that number from your ass.
same source????? they happened in two very different places in the manga. one tailed naruto's chakra was only hot enough to produce a LITTLE steam on the water he was standing on. and BTW, the naruto that BURNED that LOG wasnt even 1 tailed, he was just kyuubi CHAKRA naruto as i recall. the chakra burns slowly, NOT with the heat of friggin sodium. ur explanation doesnt make sense as u can see, it was his SPEED which burned it. kishi "confirmed" that fact in the early or late part of the chuunin exam arc if i remember. a LOT of time has passed since then, and basically you are pisking the lowest level feats of characters. why dont you mention pre shippuden rock lee with his gates open hitting gaara hundreds of times, coming, in from the entire distance of the stadium in the blink of an eye? doesnt matter, the instance of sasuke with the partial curse seal defeating that sound guy more than proves that even then, he wss going beyond mach 1.yes, one leap, which took.....................one panel. time is never mentioned. faster than even rock lee with his gates open..............naaah not really sure about that. or how about sasuke reaching to the top of where diedara was flying in his clay bird above the explosives in the blink of an eye from the ground? how about itachi reacting to kirin and creating susano? ichigo's feat was one of REFLEXES not of SPEED as far as cutting down the blades, there are many more feats of REFLEXES in naruto too. and tousen wasnt exactly FAST. gaara's sand alone was keeping up with sasuke's normal punches even AFTER they had made contact, creating spikes and stuff by his conciouss control. again, there are NO quantifyable feats by which bleachers are faster or stronger than naruto characters. infact, its the opposite. the only difference is the ANIME gives characters arbitrary speed depending on STYLE of animation and fluidity. mangas have none of that.
2. Actually, Yamamoto clearly said one leap in an instant, and even mention several miles, so we know he did it in one leap, an instant, and several miles. Yeah, that trumps all Naruto speed feats short of Madara, which is more a form of teleportation. Yeah, is faster than 5 Gates Rock Lee by feats. Also faster than Sasuke jumping to Deidara's clay bird, which was not several miles up. Itachi uses Susano with his MIND, it is not an indication of how faster his body can react. Reflex speed is more important than movement speed in a fight dude. Tosen is not the fastest, but he is still a Captain, and as such his Shunpo is more advanced than most. No quantifiable feats of speed and strength? O really? How's about friggin Sajin throwing a building sized Fraccion like a friggin rag doll? Or said Fraccion punching Sajin a mile away and through buildings, and this is while normal sized. How about when Kenny and Ichigo clashed and cut several buildings in half? How about Kenny, once he got serious, cutting Noitora, who has one of the strongest Hierro's(defense) of the Espade down with a single blow once he got serious? Oh and btw, Kenny also overpowered Sajin in battle, making him more powerful. And I provided some speed feats. Hell, Yachiru was able to reach the execution site in a short amount of time when she was still in the ground level of Seretei.
Sasuke's Shunshin>5 gates speed. Kakashi could visually keep up with Lees movement. Yet Itachi who had better eyes could BEARLy keep up with Sasuke shunshin. Gates has only managed to outspeed slow characters. But there isnt much indicating that gates is faster than shunshin. Specially when shunshin has better feats.
Originally posted by CsdabestItachi could barely keep up? I think you have that backwards. Itachi is faster than Sasuke.
Sasuke's Shunshin>5 gates speed. Kakashi could visually keep up with Lees movement. Yet Itachi who had better eyes could BEARLy keep up with Sasuke shunshin. Gates has only managed to outspeed slow characters. But there isnt much indicating that gates is faster than shunshin. Specially when shunshin has better feats.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxhttp://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11919/page.3/
Itachi could barely keep up? I think you have that backwards. Itachi is faster than Sasuke.
I think he's talking about this.
no the speed of attack=speed of sound is mentioned BY the member of the sound nin, and also proven by the guy who sasuke was dodging, using SHOCKWAVES, which are faster than he speed of sound. pre shippuden rock lee with 5 gates open is not superior to 1 tails or curse mark 2 at all. again, kakashi's eyes cud more than keep up with the gates. it WASNT 15 feat, YOU pulled that number out of your ass, 15 feat is not even the height of a short two story building, he was jumping ffrom the ENDS of the fighting arena and roof.
actually yamamoto said miles in one flash step. thats all. again, how can that be used to verify SPEED, if time isnt known. unless ur saying its instantaneous{which makes it beyond lightspeed}, you have no argument. and no, it isnt superior to lee's feat at all, the guy was busting pure granite simply by running on it.
strength? what about kyuubi chakra naruto throwing sasuke down so hard that he was breaking the entire foot of mountains/cliffs. what about chouji and his multisize technique and the fat sound nin easily pushing him up in the air with one arm{ARGUABLY bigger than any1 in bleach}, what about kimimaru foring his way out of gaara's sand. as far as DESTRUCTION goes{which is what you hav mentioned in the zaraki/ichigo fight etc} lmao, naruto characters have proven beyond a doubt that they are more destructive than bleachers. simple chidori/raasengan pre shippuden clashes were causing shockwaves on the entire lake. the last one of 1 tail and cm2 created enough excess misma to create an artificial geographical thunderstom. gaara pre shippuden was reaarranging the entire geography of the area with his jutsu. kimimaru while gying covered the entire area as far as the eye can see into nearly diomand hard 4 storey high bone spears. naruto with his wind chakra ALONE split what was a small crustal PLATE's side, not to mentione yamamoto summoning that plate to begin with, the kyuuubi cud create tsunamis and destroy mountains with a merey twirl of its single tail, the 4 tails was creating explosions on the level of medium nukes and creating meteor craters, didara's c-3 was going to destroy an entire city wide area and his final suicide jutsu on panel created an explosion with a PURE blast radius of 10 kilometres{and it was reaching into space and had a much MUCH bigger radius in the drawing}, pain is creating a jutsu which can destroy entire countries/continents and then be used again for more, no1 know what the **** madara can do and i think i dont have to mention itachi's sun heat jutsus etc.
by feats, narutoers are clearly above. its just that spamming isnt as prevelant in naruto.
Originally posted by KentoTheir Genjutsu battle?
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11919/page.3/I think he's talking about this.