Pc Darkseid VS Full power Tyrant

Originally posted by Allankles
The ALE is a cosmic justifier, mathematical proof that Darkseid is lord over all, we don't really know how the war with New Genesis ended except that the fourth world has probably been obliterated.

Also Bedlam said the bodies they had in the fourth world were suitable for Prime celestials.

So Darkseid hasn't changed much except that his world was probably destroyed in the war with New Genesis and now he has to make due with a human body bio engineered to hold his consciousness. Basically outside of the full ale, in his current status he is trying to cop with his temporary and inferior new body.

So, he's different than PC Darkseid?

Hell, the mere fact that he was apparently bringing down the multiverse shows how irrelevant that feat is to PC Darkseid.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
That he had to gain/earn. He didn't have it in his PC days.

So, he's different than PC Darkseid?

Hell, the mere fact that he was apparently bringing down the multiverse shows how irrelevant that feat is to PC Darkseid.

Hey I get it. Pre 85 Darkseid.

My argument is simply that the Crisis didn't affect Darkseid like it affected the earth based heroes and villains and a few others.

So if the thread starter didn't mean to imply pre 85 specifically I'm saying that DS has remained the same character throughout.

And the difference between the fourth world and now is that he has full knowledge of the ALE but what has significantly changed is that DS and Apokolips destroyed New Genesis once and for all and that he is operating with an inferior body to his original Apokoliptan body (which was suitable for housing a prime celestial).

Originally posted by Allankles
Hey I get it. Pre 85 Darkseid.

My argument is simply that the Crisis didn't affect Darkseid like it affected the earth based heroes and villains and a few others.

So if the thread starter didn't mean to imply pre 85 specifically I'm saying that DS has remained the same character throughout.

And the difference between the fourth world and now is that he has full knowledge of the ALE but what has significantly changed is that DS and Apokolips destroyed New Genesis once and for all and that he is operating with an inferior body to his original Apokoliptan body (which was suitable for housing a prime celestial).

He hasn't been operating in his inferior body until the last page of the last book... correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
The Crisis didn't affect Darkseid, but FC Darkseid is clearly a different Darkseid altogether.

He hasn't been operating in his inferior body until the last page of the last book... correct me if I'm wrong.

At the beginning of FC (or just about) the bio engineered body he'd been using burnt out, died so they've been using another vessel (apparently Dan Turpin) and that's what we see in the latest Crisis.

As far as DS being different he hasn't changed except that the fourth world is no more and he and the the rest of the victors of the war there have come down to Earth, in the process of transferring his consciousness from one plane of existence (the fourth world) to the current New Earth he seems to be affecting the very fabric of existence as he descends.

I know this because Bedlam and Mokkari were having a bit of a discussion about it in FC 4. Bedlam even says that the bodies they wore in the 4th world before the fall were fit for Prime Celestials far superior to the bodies they are bio engineering now using Earth's resources.

So it draws me to conclude they haven't been reborn or changed, merely forced to adapt given what the destruction of the war has forced upon them.

Originally posted by Allankles
At the beginning of FC (or just about) the bio engineered body he'd been using burnt out, died so they've been using another vessel (apparently Dan Turpin) and that's what we see in the latest Crisis.

As far as DS being different he hasn't changed except that the fourth world is no more and he and the the rest of the victors of the war there have come down to Earth, in the process of transferring his consciousness from one plane of existence (the fourth world) to the current New Earth he seems to be affecting the very fabric of existence as he descends.

I know this because Bedlam and Mokkari were having a bit of a discussion about it in FC 4. Bedlam even says that the bodies they wore in the 4th world before the fall were fit for Prime Celestials far superior to the bodies they are bio engineering now using Earth's resources.

So it draws me to conclude they haven't been reborn or changed, merely forced to adapt given what the destruction of the war has forced upon them.

And, if he's bringing down the multiverse... that doesn't seem different to you?

FC Darkseid and PC Darkseid are clearly different. If they weren't, the poster wouldn't have specified.

That should be case closed. FP Tyrant owns this.

because no one has really given a reason why he would and how he could affect pc DS, what advantages does he have over him and why wouldnt Ds be able to enlarge himself and fight tyrant as an equal

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Well, I'm confused about FC again.

And, if he's bringing down the multiverse... that doesn't seem different to you?