Originally posted by Darth Angel
Do you know how is this called? Contradiction.
There is no contradiction. You're just ignorant of the application of logic, which isn't my fault.
I said Yoda>Marek in the force and since Marek can stop OT Sidious' lightning then Yoda can do it as well. This is my premise. You start arg against me when I said Yoda>Marek, then I ask you if you were trying to prove the other way, then you refutes it, thus implying that you as well believe that yoda>marek in the force, and now you are saying that the burden of proof is with ME when I say that Yoda can stop OT Sidious' lightning with his hands?
I said that I didn't believe that Marek was necessarily more powerful than Yoda in the Force. But it is still your burden to prove that he could repulse a more powerful Darth Sidious's lightning when he was in immense visible pain and effort trying to repulse the lightning from an inferior Darth Sidious.
So you are basicly saying that Yoda is stronger in the force then Marek, yet Marek can stop OT Sidious' lightning and Yoda can't... What kind of logic is this?
Fact: Yoda struggled and was under considerable visible pain to repulse the Force lightning from Palpatine circa Revenge of the Sith.
Fact: Marek did not visibly struggle (though the novelization mentions that he was in remarkable pain, he still held his ground better than Yoda) to repulse the lightning from Darth Sidious circa two years prior to A New Hope.
Fact: The databank and novelization confirm that Marek entered a state of unity with the Force.
Fact: Original trilogy-era Palpatine > prequel trilogy-era Palpatine in Force usage and mastery.
Conclusion: Yoda can't logically repulse the Force lightning to anywhere near the degree that Marek did unless he enters a state of oneness with the Force, which is your burden to prove.
Then I am the one who has horrendous logic...
I'm glad we agree that you use horrendous logic.
At least I don't contradict myself.
You're too busy relying on misdirections and deception.
No, that's not the only justification, and you know why? Because you are using an argument that doesn't reflects the reality. Marek did stop Sidious' lightning before he entered in the oneness state, and you can see it clearly in the game cut scene, so you can't use this arg. So, what's the alternative? The alternative is that even though inferior to Sidious in the force department, Marek was still strong enough to hold his lightning with his hands.
The game cutscene does not disprove that Marek entered a state of oneness with the Force.
"As Juno rescued the Senators, Starkiller confronted the Sith Lords who had been manipulating him for years. Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious. Bombarded by Force lightning, Starkiller did not fight back but instead unleashed all the power of the Force within him, causing a tremendous blast that shattered the Emperor's tower and caused enough of a distraction to allow Eclipse and the Rebel Senators to escape."This is the quote by the way, and doesn't tell us nothing new, is simply resuming what we saw in the cut scene. But that doesn't change the fact that Marek stopped OT Sidious' lightning with his hands.
Since you're apparently a victim of selective vision: "Bombarded by Force lightning, Starkiller did not fight back but instead unleashed all the power of the Force within him,"
As I said before, I never said he was weak.
You mentioned physical frailty. It doesn't matter.
Oh, but there are an important difference in these situations. Bail Organa doesn't have a jedi master like Mace Windu saying otherwise.
Where does Mace Windu say that Darth Vader is not more powerful than Kar Vastor?
So yeah, I have the choice to refute Nick's statement since there are other more credible statement how says other way.
Another lie. No you don't. You fell into a trap. You expect us to yield to third party opinions and yet you can disregard them when you please? Wrong. Debating with me requires a single standard.
Fair enough, I will drop this point them, even though is stupid in my opinion to believe that someone would have a significant increase in power very few months before being burned and cut alive. And I didn't fall in a gaping logic because I didn't know such statement.
Yes, you fell. You fell damn hard. I could hear the resounding "thud" all the way in Kentucky.
Thank you for the concession, though. There might be a glimmer of intelligence beyond the cloud of stupidity, dishonesty, and ignorance.
As you said to me before, I reply the same to you, I don't care about your personal opinions.
I'm not interested in you carbon-copying my statements and attempting to use them against me. Come up with something original. Now.
Do you have something to back such statement? Can you prove me that Sidious could have ended Windu with the force and didn't do it due because he was confident in his lightsaber abilities?
I do.
Fact: Darth Sidious is more powerful, by a considerable margin, than Mace Windu.
Fact: Darth Sidious is much faster, more agile, and more ferocious than Mace Windu.
Fact: Darth Sidious managed to threaten Mace Windu's life from a ridiculously compromised position with Force lightning despite the presence of Vaapad.
Conclusion: if Sidious goes in, Force fists a swingin', he's going to barbeque Windu.
Anyway, even though he was in an "inferior position", that position didn't exactly decreased the power of sidious' lightning, so your point is irrelevant.
You redefine standards of stupidity. I don't know if the retards around the globe are going to crown you king for your legendary obstinancy or if you'll be regarded as "the village idiot" amongst them.
Windu had the following advantages in that situation:
a.) Leverage.
b.) Greater mass.
c.) Greater physical strength.
d.) A lightsaber.
e.) A superconductive loop afforded by Vaapad.
Palpatine? Was on his ass in the corner, without room to navigate, and was being blasted in the face.
Outcome? Sidious feigned defeat to tip Anakin's hand. He could have still gone on, whereas Windu's reserves were noticeably and relatively weaker.
Which misleading statement? I was merely pointing out that Obi-Wan's defences weren't the best at the time due to Dooku's movement. Yet as I said before, I didn't deny Dooku's obvious superiority and ownage with the force.
Obi-Wan's Soresu is such that he is able to keep Anakin Skywalker at bay; the same Anakin Skywalker who can penetrate Dooku's own defenses. Dooku disengaged blades and hurled Kenobi across the room, he did not dominate him or disarm him or outmaneuver him with a lightsaber first.
I will adress the 4 quotes at the same time because I did 1 arg and the fact that you split it just to try to refute it is pathetic. Yoda has FORCE-ASSISTED STRENGTH, which allowed him, for example, to carry an huge machine gun during the CW on his back, so even though Windu's physical strength is greater then yoda's one, once he is using the force to augument his physical abilites there are no such problem.
We know.