Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
1/3rd of the Vishanti stalemated Galactus and the totality of the Vishanti fear Cyttorak.To say Galactus is more powerful is speculation since, as you said, Cyttorak has few feats to go by.
Lets not forget that galactus was fighting agamotto in his own realm so he was already at a disadvantage. If he has fought him outside of it it wud have been different. And also galactus beat mephisto in his own realm. And im not so sure about the Vishanti being scared of Cyttorak. I mean they obviously respect him and all the interdimensional treaties that exist so they dont cross him uneccessarily but i dont think scared is the right word. When all of the mystic entities were fighting for Dr stranges services in the war of the seven spheres, the vishanti didnt seem scared of anybody. They even said that from what they have spoken and would not tolerate arguement from any of the other mystic entities present which included cyttorrak.
As for who is more powerful, id have to say certainly galactus because by feats he is above him and thats all we have to go by. There is also the thing of Eternity acknowledging Galactus power as being on par with his own and Eternity is generally portrayed as being above mystic entities( even though he occasionally gets captured or trapped by them using numerous plot devices).
Originally posted by NewjakThe point is that things have obviously changed since then. Odin used to get compared to Galactus more back then,but it seems marvel has made it that Galactus is well above him nowadays.
And Juggernaut took Thor's godblast straight on and wasn't driven off.Wow the avatar of Cyytorak was able to do something the Big G couldn't do.
That was a silly point to make and point out. 😛
Galactus is also a prisoner of his own hunger. Feats and such have him well above Cytorrak. Unless anyone has anything that they feel changes my opinion here.
WW Hulk held Juggs in check also by the way. He bfr'd him easily as well. WW Hulk could never do a thing to big G. Onslaught also treated the Juggernaut like his own personal bich. Just sayin.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixYou really think Juggernaut would have a chance against Tyrant? LOL.
All of those are good points and I see them in different ways at the same time. Realistically Galactus can't hurt Cyttorak with a blast or punch since none of his powers have any mystical nature to them of my knowledge.Cyttorak wouldn't be able to get close to hit him unless G shrunk down and decided to fight him or just sat there and let him hit him. The only way for G to win is for him to BFR Cyttorak or UN him. Now if he can target the Crimson Cosmos with that I don't know.
Feat wise G should win because for some reason Cyttorak can't get a good showing when it comes to actually laying the smackdown. IIRC Juggernaut and someone else I think it was Strange beat him which was stupid because how do you beat your benefactor? Cyttorak should get more recognition as a powerful god or whatever you want to call him. He is heavily underestimated by most seeing as you don't really see much of what he can do unless it's through Cain Marko himself, not saying that you are underestimating him Quan or anything like that. I just hope that everyone knows that Classic/Current Juggernaut only has a fraction of Cyttorak's power.
Still of the two I would gvie durability to Cyttorak now if he possess the power to actually harm him can be debated all day. I know some may say that if a godblast can harm him (no matter how stupid that may have been even though G should've just whooped him.) then one could assume a punch from Cyttorak would as well.
That being said I wouldn't put it past Cain beating people like Surfer and Tyran if it came down to H2H of course their blasts wouldn't hurt him but that would cancel out things like Surfer's mobility advantage. If Thanos can take blows from Tyrant then Cain should have absolutely no problem.
My main point is that a battle between the two would more than likely be a stalemate unless G BFRs or UNs him.
Galactus has the feats and is obviously more powerful. My case is proven and backed up while the Cytorrak side has nothing but wild speculation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is that things have obviously changed since then. Odin used to get compared to Galactus more back then,but it seems marvel has made it that Galactus is well above him nowadays.Galactus is also a prisoner of his own hunger. Feats and such have him well above Cytorrak. Unless anyone has anything that they feel changes my opinion here.
WW Hulk held Juggs in check also by the way. He bfr'd him easily as well. WW Hulk could never do a thing to big G. Onslaught also treated the Juggernaut like his own personal bich. Just sayin. You really think Juggernaut would have a chance against Tyrant? LOL.
Galactus has the feats and is obviously more powerful. My case is proven and backed up while the Cytorrak side has nothing but wild speculation.
What can Tyrant do to hurt him and what speculation? I said that it would pretty much be a stalemate unless G bfrs or UNs him and I said that by a feats perspective that G would win.
Actually Cain held WWH in check, he got the better hits and only lost to BFR.
Using Onslaught against Cain is like using Drax against Thanos, Juggernaut was poorly written on Cain's behalf, we all know this.
Again, besides BFR what can Tyrant do to hurt him? The answer is nothing. Cain still has his forcefield if anything did happen to affect him. If Thanos can take punches from him then Cain can do the same.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixYou really think that he isnt powerful enough to hurt him...I say he is.
What can Tyrant do to hurt him and what speculation? I said that it would pretty much be a stalemate unless G bfrs or UNs him and I said that by a feats perspective that G would win.Actually Cain held WWH in check, he got the better hits and only lost to BFR.
Using Onslaught against Cain is like using Drax against Thanos, Juggernaut was poorly written on Cain's behalf, we all know this.
Again, besides BFR what can Tyrant do to hurt him? The answer is nothing. Cain still has his forcefield if anything did happen to affect him. If Thanos can take punches from him then Cain can do the same.
If Thanos had the ig do you think that he couldnt physically hurt the Juggernaut?
Didnt war hulk physically thrash him as well?
Its still canon and you cant ingore it because you disagree with it.
Warhulk,WW Hulk stood his ground,and Onslaught pwned him easily.
Tyrant rapes him.
Tyrant barely hurt Thanos when they fought, Cain is more durable than Thanos plus he has his impenetrable forcefield. So how is he going to hurt him?
Where did the IG come from in this? If he uses the gauntlet to somehow seal off his power then yes. Hell the IG will pretty much hurt almost anyone but the Power Gem alone will not hurt him.
WHulk did physically beat him with technology made for stopping him but he didn't KO him. It was the technology that stopped him. WWH stood his ground and realized that he couldn't physically beat him, put them in a fight to the death and Hulk would've lost.
Are you not getting that Onslaught was complete and utter PIS on Cain's part hell it was on almost everyone's part and it was one big contradiction to a lot of things like his indestructable armor that he manipulated Hulk into destroying even though it was indestructable.
Still how does Tyrant rape him? What in his arsenal does he have that will hurt him when he was barely hurting Thanos?
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixDo you think that Cain could do any better against Tyrant? he got his ass handed to him by War Hulk. Tyrant>>War Hulk. Odin>>War Hulk. Thanos>War Hulk>Juggs.
Tyrant barely hurt Thanos when they fought, Cain is more durable than Thanos plus he has his impenetrable forcefield. So how is he going to hurt him?Where did the IG come from in this? If he uses the gauntlet to somehow seal off his power then yes. Hell the IG will pretty much hurt almost anyone but the Power Gem alone will not hurt him.
WHulk did physically beat him with technology made for stopping him but he didn't KO him. It was the technology that stopped him. WWH stood his ground and realized that he couldn't physically beat him, put them in a fight to the death and Hulk would've lost.
Are you not getting that Onslaught was complete and utter PIS on Cain's part hell it was on almost everyone's part and it was one big contradiction to a lot of things like his indestructable armor that he manipulated Hulk into destroying even though it was indestructable.
Still how does Tyrant rape him? What in his arsenal does he have that will hurt him when he was barely hurting Thanos?
So,the power gem cant hurt him but War Hulk can? You seem awfully confused here. War Hulk showed you can hurt him physically.
WW Hulk easily stood his ground. He withstood the Juggernaut and his momentum and easily defeated him.
Onslaught is canon. It seems to me you are trying very hard to dismiss Juggs low feats. Sorry,its canon and pis is just an excuse/
Tyrant hurt Thanos whose durability can take attacks from odin who is well above Juggs. I have proven my point while you seem to be in denial. 😉
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixNo,he wasnt. war Hulk also beat him. Drax was his silver bullet. Your opinion is plain ignorant.
hell Drax pwned Thanos easily but do I count that against him? Hell no because it doesn't mean much when the guy that beat you was made specifically to beat you. Onslaught was to Juggernaut as Drax was to Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No,he wasnt. war Hulk also beat him. Drax was his silver bullet. Your opinion is plain ignorant.
Exactly, just like Onslaught was to Cain. Before becoming Onslaught, X focused all of his attention on Cain he feared Cyttorak. PIS is not an excuse if it is actually there. I mean I would have no problem with Onslaught beating Cain if he didn't contradict his character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think that Cain could do any better against Tyrant? he got his ass handed to him by War Hulk. Tyrant>>War Hulk. Odin>>War Hulk. Thanos>War Hulk>Juggs.So,the power gem cant hurt him but War Hulk can? You seem awfully confused here. War Hulk showed you can hurt him physically.
WW Hulk easily stood his ground. He withstood the Juggernaut and his momentum and easily defeated him.
Onslaught is canon. It seems to me you are trying very hard to dismiss Juggs low feats. Sorry,its canon and pis is just an excuse/
Tyrant hurt Thanos whose durability can take attacks from odin who is well above Juggs. I have proven my point while you seem to be in denial. 😉
War Hulk was backed by technology made to stop him, that was his silver bullet.
WWH didn't easily stand his ground. Cain was pushing him back and he got the better blows of the two. If WWH was to BFR Thanos would you claim him as the better man?
Thanos is in no way more durable than Cain Marko. What has Odin done to say that he could hurt Cain? Hell Thor didn't even hurt him. Cain has taking shots from Eternity, he has been cast into Oblivion and survived, he had his flesh and organs ripped from his body, he has taken shots with the power to crack a small planet, he has an impenetrable forcefield that will stop any of Odin's attacks. He is virtually immune to almost all attacks and he has an insane healing factor. Odin would eventually tire out before the battle is over if you take out BFR although that would take a long time for him to tire.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixIts just an excuse imo. Fact is Juggs is pretty invulnerable but when he faces someone that much more powerful he'd get hurt imo.
Exactly, just like Onslaught was to Cain. Before becoming Onslaught, X focused all of his attention on Cain he feared Cyttorak. PIS is not an excuse if it is actually there. I mean I would have no problem with Onslaught beating Cain if he didn't contradict his character.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixScans?
War Hulk was backed by technology made to stop him, that was his silver bullet.WWH didn't easily stand his ground. Cain was pushing him back and he got the better blows of the two. If WWH was to BFR Thanos would you claim him as the better man?
Thanos is in no way more durable than Cain Marko. What has Odin done to say that he could hurt Cain? Hell Thor didn't even hurt him. Cain has taking shots from Eternity, he has been cast into Oblivion and survived, he had his flesh and organs ripped from his body, he has taken shots with the power to crack a small planet, he has an impenetrable forcefield that will stop any of Odin's attacks. He is virtually immune to almost all attacks and he has an insane healing factor. Odin would eventually tire out before the battle is over if you take out BFR although that would take a long time for him to tire.
WW Hulk stood his ground and easily took Juggs momentum and used it against him.
Odin has affected the multiverse and been involved in battles that have destroyed galaxies.
Again, I need to see scans where it says that War Hulk was basically the silver bullet to Juggs.
Honestly I havent seen anything physically hurt juggernaut except when a weakened juggernaut got all the flesh burned off of him during the time when cytorrak was providing him with the cytorrak power source and he still healed instantly and was fighting while he was a pile of bones.
Juggernaut fought thor twice and didnt shed not one once of blood during this confrontation and thor is arguably one of the most powerful beings in marvel u. Thor has damaged celestial, galactus, ego, destroyer, etc... but he had to resort to cancelling out juggernauts power source to even get juggernaut to recognize him.
This also applies to hulk, out of every confrontation that hulk has had with juggernaut, juggernaut has yet to even get a scratch and hulk has faced and damaged some of the most powerful beings in the universe. Theres nothing next to magic that can harm juggernaut physically. Its his powers, he is basically true invulnerability and true strength. You cant say that someone can hurt a character that has yet to be damaged.
I agree with the fact that thanos cant cause juggernaut any harm, his only resort would be to bfr him or he would basically be put in a position that thor was in and thats almost being physically beaten to death.