Altair vs Link

Forgive me if this has been done before, but I didn't find any results with the search engine.

No magic

Altair wins. Why? simple:

Link tries to shoot him w/ a bow but altair is too fast.

Link tries to slash at him w/ sword but altair uses the counter attack skill to counter it, knock Link down and use the hidden blade.

Link tries to stay back w/ shield, but Altair uses guard break.

Link tries to use magic, only to realize that he can't.

Link tries to go on top of rooftops and shoot Altair w/bow, only to realize he can't jump because he has no jump button.

Even if he could, Altair = master of roof jumping.

Link grabs Altair by the arm, and rips it out.

Why?

Because he is much stronger.

And faster.

Link owns Altair.

First of all, I made a topic of this already.

Secondly, almost any Link would win with minimal effort, especially TP Link, who doesn't even use magic. The aforementioned Link's "Hidden Skills" aren't an implied result of magic either, and a good number of them show how much more agile Link actually is than Altair (I'd love to see Altair try to use the likes of the Helm Splitter or Back Slice). Link in general has virtually every physical advantage over Altair, having notable strength feats in TP even without any strength-enhancing items, and in general has three times as many weapons as Altair does. The only chance Altair has in this fight is if it's strictly a sword fight, and even then, he'd lose to at least 90% of the Links. Link could just use Mortal Draw the moment Altair lunges at him/comes within distance, and that'd the end of the monotone-suffering assassin.

Altair doesn't seem to be anywhere as impressive as Link.

Link may be "stronger" and "faster" than Altair, but what stops Altair from using counter attack? It has so far been basically infallible.

Gameplaywise, maybe (not that Link would suffer from the same AI as the guards Altair often faces). But canonically, it won't make an ounce of difference. Taking into account sheer canoncal feats, Altair is nothing beyond a peak physical human who's skills are as such. Link has shown feats that, once again, borderline slightly beyond peak physical human, with a good enough record list that blows Altair's out of the water. To honestly say that Altair would last against the likes of Volvagia (who OOT Link was generally considered to have fought with only a hammer) or even a Darknut, is just blasphemy. Altair's never even faced anything beyond his own species. Even in a forseback duel, Link's got a bretter chance of winning, having taken on dozens of boar-riding marauders singlehandedly on at least two occasions singlegandedly, as well as taken on a camp full of beastly grunts whose numbers would require Altair to, gameplaywise, make an escape.

If you give them all their weapons, its a curbstomp in just about any Link's favor. If you give them only their swords, the only difference is Link not having as many weapons, but still winning without much trouble.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Link may be "stronger" and "faster" than Altair, but what stops Altair from using counter attack? It has so far been basically infallible.

Counter attacks? What stops Link from cutting through Altair's sword and killing Altair in the process?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well Link in TP was strong enough to lift a 20 ton Goron and toss it, and physically rivaled Ganondorf himself. And in OoT with the Golden Gauntlets he lifted and tossed that HUGE slag of what appeared to be a large black stone. And in WW, he tosses 10-15 tons boulders pretty easily.

Counter attacks? What stops Link from cutting through Altair's sword and killing Altair in the process?

But Altair isn't going to counter attack as in block then attack, he's going to dodge then counter.

Link still pwns him with his queerness alone.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But Altair isn't going to counter attack as in block then attack, he's going to dodge then counter.

He'll be slashing at air because Link is still more agile than him in fighting. Not that he would even be able to dodge the likes of the Back Slice or Helm Splitter.

Link still pwns him with his queerness alone.

You can't pwn with what you don't have.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But Altair isn't going to counter attack as in block then attack, he's going to dodge then counter.

Don't get me wrong, Altair is the shit, peak human physically most likely, and definately among the most skilled characters in gaming, but Altair cannot fvck with Link's raw physical strength, speed, power, and versatility. Not to mention he has pure martial skill to back it up.

But yeah, Link is a queer. Fvck Link.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And how will he do this to the much faster Link?

Don't get me wrong, Altair is the shit, peak human physically most likely, and definately among the most skilled characters in gaming, but Altair cannot fvck with Link's raw physical strength, speed, power, and versatility. Not to mention he has pure martial skill to back it up.

But yeah, Link is a queer. Fvck Link.

🙄 To risk going off topic: About 2/3 right. Link's no hardcore burly badass but classifying him as if he were a JRPG protagonist (when the only matching asset he has is blue eyes in his more realistic incarnations) like you are is just needless exertion of ignorance and idiotic generalizing. Either way, no amount of queerness would hinder Link in this fight; his feats in TP put him on a level virtually 100% beyond Altair. Altair's good for what he is, but there are other (generally)normal humans who'd outdo him more easily than Link would.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
🙄 To risk going off topic: About 2/3 right. Link's no hardcore burly badass but classifying him as if he were a JRPG protagonist (when the only matching asset he has is blue eyes in his more realistic incarnations) like you are is just needless exertion of ignorance and idiotic generalizing. Either way, no amount of queerness would hinder Link in this fight; his feats in TP put him on a level virtually 100% beyond Altair. Altair's good for what he is, but there are other (generally)normal humans who'd outdo him more easily than Link would.

And I will never like Link. Mostly out of spite because he beats Ganondorf, but I am big enough to admit this.