Originally posted by carver9
Energy output is questionable
I give the edge to surfer with durability
Speed Gokus combat speed>>>>surfer by miles.Goku has already owned superman in wizard, twice, I cant wait until they make one with him and surfer.
Questionable? SS energy output is multiple times any body in Dbzs. Durability wise he is also multiple times superior. Speed, goku may have better combat speed but nothin Ss cant deal with. If wizard brings out an issue in which goku defeats silver surfer they shud be sued for defamation of character and outright stupididty.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
bI dont need to show a scan of surfer fighting someone at light speed because NO dragon ball character has shown to be capable of anything even close to it. Reacting to lasers after they are fired is something that Ss has shown to be capable of numerous times. SS is also too durable to be taken out by any DB character.
Youre the one that keep bringing up light speed and its different to jump and bounce around while lasers is being shot at you. Goku did this in a completely different style, he was moving so fast that it appeared as if he was a ghost or intagible but he was moving the entire time. He was moving so fast that super speed punches appeared as if they were going clean through his body. That alone is light speed reaction, with blast that make it to the moon instantly going through you and it appears as if your not even moving.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Questionable? SS energy output is multiple times any body in Dbzs. Durability wise he is also multiple times superior. Speed, goku may have better combat speed but nothin Ss cant deal with. If wizard brings out an issue in which goku defeats silver surfer they shud be sued for defamation of character and outright stupididty.
😆 Good one.
Goku has done so much with his ki blast that it ridiculous. Both of them are versatile as hell thats why I was unable to answer that question.
Durability, naah, not multiple times, I give surfer a small edge. Gokus body has been through hell and he still have all of his body parts. Thats a feat alone.
I dont see anything wrong with surfer losing to goku, hell the guy screamed and stop a volcanoe from erupting.
Gokus combat speed would overwhelm surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
Youre the one that keep bringing up light speed and its different to jump and bounce around while lasers is being shot at you. Goku did this in a completely different style, he was moving so fast that it appeared as if he was a ghost or intagible but he was moving the entire time. He was moving so fast that super speed punches appeared as if they were going clean through his body. That alone is light speed reaction, with blast that make it to the moon instantly going through you and it appears as if your not even moving.
I said surfer has reacted to Laser blasts coming directly for him AFTER they had been fired. Not jumping and bouncing around. What u have described Goku doing is just moving fast and creating blurred or after images images, somethin that even the whizzer can do. There is nothin light speed about it.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I said surfer has reacted to Laser blasts coming directly for him AFTER they had been fired. Not jumping and bouncing around. What u have described Goku doing is just moving fast and creating blurred or after images images, somethin that even the whizzer can do. There is nothin light speed about it.
It was just one after image the entire time, there wasnt multiple. You didnt see the dodging you only seen him and then you have to think about how many blast was being shot at him and think about WHOS shooting at him (beings that also possessed super speed) and how he dodged the blast. They couldnt even see him move and they possess speed themselves.
Originally posted by carver9
😆 Good one.Goku has done so much with his ki blast that it ridiculous. Both of them are versatile as hell thats why I was unable to answer that question.
Durability, naah, not multiple times, I give surfer a small edge. Gokus body has been through hell and he still have all of his body parts. Thats a feat alone.
I dont see anything wrong with surfer losing to goku, hell the guy screamed and stop a volcanoe from erupting.
Gokus combat speed would overwhelm surfer.
Oh really? What has goku done that can come even remotely close to creating a black hole as an after effect of an energy blast?. Nothing. Versatility wise, SS and goku are not even in the same dimension. SS outnumbers goku in powers by a ratio of 10:1.
Durability wise, when i see goku do something even remotely close to fighting inside a blackhole while weakned then we can discuss that.
Screaming and stopping a volcanoe erupting is of no relvance here and still is not even a surfer level feat. Surfer cud stop a volcano from erupting by blinking.
Gokus combat speed, is unquantifiable and not that impressive. Surfer stomps him 10/10.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Questionable? SS energy output is multiple times any body in Dbzs. Durability wise he is also multiple times superior. Speed, goku may have better combat speed but nothin Ss cant deal with. If wizard brings out an issue in which goku defeats silver surfer they shud be sued for defamation of character and outright stupididty. [/B]
Surfer can't one shot multiple galaxies.
Originally posted by carver9
It was just one after image the entire time, there wasnt multiple. You didnt see the dodging you only seen him and then you have to think about how many blast was being shot at him and think about WHOS shooting at him (beings that also possessed super speed) and how he dodged the blast. They couldnt even see him move and they possess speed themselves.
Well generally after images are drawn to show the readers superspeed movement. The characters themselves still see them as one image. Evrything still unquantifable. Surfer has been shown to react to a blitz from ganyemede who actually CAN move at light speed. Goku has got nothin on surfer.
Goku going so fast that energy moves through him? A energy blast goes forward... lets say 1000 miles a second... it still consumes that space for a fraction of a second... If Goku so fast he could dodge that energy blast... he would still have to stay out of the zone where the blast WAS in order to still be unaffected by the blast. so for that second or fraction of a second you would see goku was NOT there. And thus had moved. The other other option is that he could phase his atoms... because he moved so fast.. he approaches light speed and disperses his atoms infinitely wide... so as to be unaffected by the energy.. however the problem with that is that since his atoms are dispersed you would either see goku as this incredibly wide character... or to the point where he was invisible to the naked eye.
So fast you didn't see him move is idiotic. My guess is goku is the mutant lovechild of shadowcat. and energy phases through him. Also does goku no longer have to breathe air or what, i gave up after dbz. surfer turns the air around them into poison gas or something.
Originally posted by rotiart
Goku going so fast that energy moves through him? A energy blast goes forward... lets say 1000 miles a second... it still consumes that space for a fraction of a second... If Goku so fast he could dodge that energy blast... he would still have to stay out of the zone where the blast WAS in order to still be unaffected by the blast. so for that second or fraction of a second you would see goku was NOT there. And thus had moved. The other other option is that he could phase his atoms... because he moved so fast.. he approaches light speed and disperses his atoms infinitely wide... so as to be unaffected by the energy.. however the problem with that is that since his atoms are dispersed you would either see goku as this incredibly wide character... or to the point where he was invisible to the naked eye.So fast you didn't see him move is idiotic. My guess is goku is the mutant lovechild of shadowcat. and energy phases through him. Also does goku no longer have to breathe air or what, i gave up after dbz. surfer turns the air around them into poison gas or something.
😆 I know what you mean. but its no worse than the crap we see in comics. Next Superman will find out his farts allow him to time travel.
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Broly one shotted most of the south galaxy quadrant which was made of at least 4 galaxies.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
No its made of 1 galaxy..theres only 4 galaxies in dbz,and broly is non-canon anyways,manga is all that can be used for canon debates and in the canon manga no dbz char ever showed lightspeed they were only planet busters and could barely take planet busting power themselves.
Did you even bother to read the thread? He's more canon than the character being used for this thread. there are 4 galaxy quadrants, north, south, east, and west. the total is 16 galaxies.