Originally posted by Darth StormYou're a newb, so I won't poke fun at your ignorance. But no, just no.
The Guard's wald dam f*** luke to death, if luke went at one, all the other's wald lightning him to death, luke's weak, reckon if starkiller could kill vader, starkiller would have a good chance at killing luke
WTH's a wald?
Luke gets fd in the A by ten Shadow Guards, he could tool two with the force and two with a saber in like five seconds, but in that time the other six would impale him. Luke is miles and miles and miles ahead of any single Shadow Guard, but these are ten foes who have Sith teachings. Just a question by what time does Luke surpass Yoda? I'm sure that by NJO he has, but I'm just curioous exactly when.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaHe has. And I don't think Luke would sacrifice his defences in exchange for killing a couple of 'em.
Luke gets fd in the A by ten Shadow Guards, he could tool two with the force and two with a saber in like five seconds, but in that time the other six would impale him. Luke is miles and miles and miles ahead of any single Shadow Guard, but these are ten foes who have Sith teachings. Just a question by what time does Luke surpass Yoda? I'm sure that by NJO he has, but I'm just curioous exactly when.
And Glentract..................really? A lot of people here don't like them.
how many shadow guards were there exactly? we see what, 2 or 3 in the force unleashed? Just wondering exactly HOW big a contingent of force users palpatine had wandering around the galaxy. Every force user they mention alive at the time of the destruction of the second death star belittles ROTJ even more btw.
some climax. Heck, there was an entire order of sith hiding on korriban.
Luke gets fd in the A by ten Shadow Guards, he could tool two with the force and two with a saber in like five seconds, but in that time the other six would impale him. Luke is miles and miles and miles ahead of any single Shadow Guard, but these are ten foes who have Sith teachings. Just a question by what time does Luke surpass Yoda? I'm sure that by NJO he has, but I'm just curioous exactly when.
Okay, First of all, you stole my catchphrase. Expect a visit from 20, very scary lawyers. Assuming that I don't get there first.
Secondly, I'm torn between Luke not being able to handle them all, If Starkiller struggled against one the 10 are really going to be a b*tch, and Luke speedblitzing them, like Bane did to the Umbiwasits. Hmmmm........ I'll go with the latter cuz I think NJO was the time that Luke achieved his 20 sabers at once feat.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Even as of Vector Prime, he's a beast. As of DE, he is already amazing, so any time after that, even more so.
Post-DE, he and his beloved wife (who, by herself, does as good of a job as kicking the shit out of her ill-behaved nephew as Luke himself did) together were nearly butchered by a Trade Federation-era droideka. He was also overpowered by Desann. And then nearly killed by Lumiya. As of Legacy of the Force, Luke Skywalker may be the single greatest combatant in the saga, but he is hardly infallible. As he himself admits multiple times throughout the New Jedi Order series to Vergere and Jacen, his personal insecurities and philosophy limit him incredibly as a warrior.
Yet in DE we see him go toe-to-toe with Sidious in a lightsaber fight while Sidious was in a "fresh" body. His lightsaber skill was at least in the same tier as Yoda already. Or the fact that he defeated Lumiya before DE. Or absorbing cannon blasts from an AT-AT. Or that Gethzerion couldn't really defeat him. Theres more, but I think you get the general idea. Luke was a hauss regardless of any one instance that made him seem weak.
Originally posted by Lucien A
I prefer to think of the Droideka incidence as PIS. I've never read about it, but it just seems so... out of whack. MAybe he's just not good at deflecting rapid fire.
If this is the Hand of Thrawn duology then it wasn't really PIS. It was just a case of several droids firing at Luke from more than two directions with rapid fire blasts.
He was caught between a storm of laser fire and did well to survive under the circumstances. It didn't help that the fight was in a closed room.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yet in DE we see him go toe-to-toe with Sidious in a lightsaber fight while Sidious was in a "fresh" body.
Which means what?
While he may be the most powerful Sith Lord in history, Sidious is hardly the pinnacle of lightsaber technique and ability. As I recall, Skywalker was casually defeated and humiliated the first time before defeating the Dark Lord aboard Eclipse, where Leia interfered. And even after the duel ended, he still needed the combined power of his sister and unborn nephew to survive Palpatine's Force Storm.
Force-wise, Sidious was still miles upon miles ahead of him.
His lightsaber skill was at least in the same tier as Yoda already.
Because of one incident where he had the interference of an outside party? I don't see Yoda struggling with Desann or Lumiya. Or a droideka.
Or the fact that he defeated Lumiya before DE.
Ignoring the fact that both of them have improved since then and that Luke was nearly killed by her in single combat.
Or absorbing cannon blasts from an AT-AT.
Or destroying a legion of droids with a gesture. No one denies that Skywalker is powerful. But the idea that he is a demi-god without peer is without merit.
Or that Gethzerion couldn't really defeat him.
As I recall, she defeated him and tortured him, prompting him to muse that her treatment of him is similar to what Vader could have done to him if his father "wanted to kill him."
Theres more, but I think you get the general idea. Luke was a hauss regardless of any one instance that made him seem weak.
I do get the idea. Luke was powerful. Duh. But the suggestion, implication, or common misconception that he's a god capable of obliterating powerful enemies without effort isn't applicable. Due to psychology, like Anakin Skywalker, his power is restrained heavily.
Originally posted by Gideon
Which means what?While he may be the most powerful Sith Lord in history, Sidious is hardly the pinnacle of lightsaber technique and ability. As I recall, Skywalker was casually defeated and humiliated the first time before defeating the Dark Lord aboard Eclipse, where Leia interfered. And even after the duel ended, he still needed the combined power of his sister and unborn nephew to survive Palpatine's Force Storm.
Force-wise, Sidious was still miles upon miles ahead of him.
Because of one incident where he had the interference of an outside party? I don't see Yoda struggling with Desann or Lumiya. Or a droideka.
Ignoring the fact that both of them have improved since then and that Luke was nearly killed by her in single combat.
Or destroying a legion of droids with a gesture. No one denies that Skywalker is powerful. But the idea that he is a demi-god without peer is without merit.
As I recall, she defeated him and tortured him, prompting him to muse that her treatment of him is similar to what Vader could have done to him if his father "wanted to kill him."
I do get the idea. Luke was powerful. Duh. But the suggestion, implication, or common misconception that he's a god capable of obliterating powerful enemies without effort isn't applicable. Due to psychology, like Anakin Skywalker, his power is restrained heavily.
What do you mean "to survive Palpatine's force storm"? The force storm was not directed at Luke, but at the fleet. Im not arguing i am just asking if you know something about the story that i don't. If so it may come in handy in other debates.