Originally posted by Sixth_WingedIt was just a theory. But they planned to infect the entire sun with Kryptonite.
Didn't Vandal planned to kill him by shooting Kryptonite at the sun but was averted thousands of years of prep by his friends to be replaced instead by a GL ring which he then used to crush solaris with?
Yes it was a theory, but also superman's invulnerability to anything is a theory as well or his supposed increased invulnerability to it like many others.
point is, Superman P = Too vague to judge. The only time we've seen him used his power other than to channell the supersun to the superman dynasty was using a green lantern ring amongst all things.
I gotta make a point here. This debate is really funny. People saying RKT or Prime are both theorizing a heck of alot. Prime never did anything that screams out he can thrash RKT and RKT never did anything that screams he will thrash Prime. Both sides have their biases apparently. RKT is powerful, and so is Prime. But the fact that the universe turned out to witness his coming is purely DC/Superverse focal point reassertion to the max.
Prime is not however the second most powerful person in DC. Spectre is there, as well as the Millenium Giants, as well as even more of the upper echelons of power. Like Lucifer, Yahweh, SOTK and etc?? The power lines go much deeper.
And for those who say Prime or RKT.
Tell me. Who do you think would win between Superman and Thor??
Cuz chances are, that probably colored your decision.
Like inwardly thinking the most powerful form of Thor would never be able to beat the most powerful form of Superman. If so, no matter what evidence is supplied, chances are you won't be persuaded otherwise.
Oh, and Prime has absolutely no feats whatsoever. None. His biggest is in resurrecting a dead person with help.
Darkseid did that more than twenty years ago without aid. And turned a sun from red to yellow i believe while also mind controlling a few billion people.
True Darkseid >>>>>>>>Both combatants by a large margin imo. Prime is carried only by the fact that he's superman.
And for the whole Prime is more powerful than 1Million and he could punch through time, move galaxies with his mind(with aid from a gorilla!) etc.
Superman is more powerful than Zatanna overall, but if she said the right words backwards, he'd be dead like the rest of them.
Flash, GL could take him a few times as well.
So that whole line of thought is pointless.
Originally posted by UniOmniI agree.
I gotta make a point here. This debate is really funny. People saying RKT or Prime are both theorizing a heck of alot. Prime never did anything that screams out he can thrash RKT and RKT never did anything that screams he will thrash Prime. Both sides have their biases apparently. RKT is powerful, and so is Prime. But the fact that the universe turned out to witness his coming is purely DC/Superverse focal point reassertion to the max.
Prime is not however the second most powerful person in DC. Spectre is there, as well as the Millenium Giants, as well as even more of the upper echelons of power. Like Lucifer, Yahweh, SOTK and etc?? The power lines go much deeper.
And for those who say Prime or RKT.
Tell me. Who do you think would win between Superman and Thor??
Cuz chances are, that probably colored your decision.
Like inwardly thinking the most powerful form of Thor would never be able to beat the most powerful form of Superman. If so, no matter what evidence is supplied, chances are you won't be persuaded otherwise.
Oh, and Prime has absolutely no feats whatsoever. None. His biggest is in resurrecting a dead person with help.
Darkseid did that more than twenty years ago without aid. And turned a sun from red to yellow i believe while also mind controlling a few billion people.
True Darkseid >>>>>>>>Both combatants by a large margin imo. Prime is carried only by the fact that he's superman.
And for the whole Prime is more powerful than 1Million and he could punch through time, move galaxies with his mind(with aid from a gorilla!) etc.
Superman is more powerful than Zatanna overall, but if she said the right words backwards, he'd be dead like the rest of them.
Flash, GL could take him a few times as well.
So that whole line of thought is pointless.
Originally posted by UniOmni
I gotta make a point here. This debate is really funny. People saying RKT or Prime are both theorizing a heck of alot. Prime never did anything that screams out he can thrash RKT and RKT never did anything that screams he will thrash Prime. Both sides have their biases apparently. RKT is powerful, and so is Prime. But the fact that the universe turned out to witness his coming is purely DC/Superverse focal point reassertion to the max.
Prime is not however the second most powerful person in DC. Spectre is there, as well as the Millenium Giants, as well as even more of the upper echelons of power. Like Lucifer, Yahweh, SOTK and etc?? The power lines go much deeper.
And for those who say Prime or RKT.
Tell me. Who do you think would win between Superman and Thor??
Cuz chances are, that probably colored your decision.
Like inwardly thinking the most powerful form of Thor would never be able to beat the most powerful form of Superman. If so, no matter what evidence is supplied, chances are you won't be persuaded otherwise.
Oh, and Prime has absolutely no feats whatsoever. None. His biggest is in resurrecting a dead person with help.
Darkseid did that more than twenty years ago without aid. And turned a sun from red to yellow i believe while also mind controlling a few billion people.
True Darkseid >>>>>>>>Both combatants by a large margin imo. Prime is carried only by the fact that he's superman.
And for the whole Prime is more powerful than 1Million and he could punch through time, move galaxies with his mind(with aid from a gorilla!) etc.
Superman is more powerful than Zatanna overall, but if she said the right words backwards, he'd be dead like the rest of them.
Flash, GL could take him a few times as well.
So that whole line of thought is pointless.
Validus i actually don't lean towards thor. I do however like him more as a character in comics. I truly believe that Superman is the most had it handed to him brick in comics truly. But his feats post crisis do have him beating thor. With a speedblitz. Barring that however, Thor houses him if he uses the hammers full potential. Both in DC comics, Superman wins. In Marvel comics, Superman wins. Either way he wins.
But RKT can see the future iirc. And that changes everything imo.
And if there is ever a fully functional time machine, i'll go back in time and create the first superhero. So that i could see how DC comics were written if they didn't cater endlessly to Superman and he was just any other character to be used. Who would be the icon then??
Kessael, Scion of The Workmans Ambition??
And Magic only tickled SBP, but Kon bloodied him. Does that mean
Donna Troy can bloody Superman Prime?? Your logic is flawed.
Originally posted by Juntai
You don't see how SBP applies?Here's how:
What do you think Superman was doing inside the sun for all those years? He was punching reality and formatting it to fit his story.
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No, i honestly don't. At least, not into a level that is really relevant here. Considering the fluxes that have happened, SMP not having any feats to his name and superman chanelling his power to his dynasty instead of just keeping it to himself.
what do we knw of RTK's power level ?....if i'm not mistaken he only appeared in the last two issues of the comic before it got cancelled....i'm not sure about superman prime as i neva read his comics or knw his feats....but RTK must show his full feats before we can determine the winner of this match
RKT is thor +odin+and then some. So.....lets see odin is skyfather so that puts him above thanos but below galactus. Thor is less than Odin so put them together you get almost twice a skyfather roughly 3 thanos in power. Add a little spice with all his runes and his still below galactus.Why you ask...well all the skyfathers with destroyer couldnt harm one celestial and Galactus is in close proximity to celestials powers and All Skyfathers>>>>rune king thor.
Copied from spetznaz:
Also note that he granted his strengths to the various supermen of the future (eg Superman 1 Million) through his covenant, and thus augmented their already potent powers.
Superman 1 million punched through time to arrive 85,000 years into the future, and he did this when he was almost out of all strength due to being too far away from the SuperSun (where Prime Superman was, granting strength).
If Superman 1M can have such power (to punch 85,000 years into the future, and do so when he has so little life essence left that he has turned into an old feeble man), just how powerful do you think Prime Superman is?
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Superman Prime would definitely win.
^^^You haven't read anything i posted huh??
Nothing was done by either to suggest that they could stomp the other. And the flaw in comparing his narrated power level to 1Millions is that 1Million had blood from a very powerful race of beings. Prime doesn't have that luxury. And for the second time, Superman is more powerful overall than Zatanna. But give her 2 seconds of prep, and Superman is dead. So that line of thought is pointless and stupid.
I have no idea if Superman Prime would win, but I think RKT's being underestimated. If it was Superman Prime versus Odin or Galactus would everyone think SP would win? Surtur, who destroyed a sun to extract the metal he used to create his Twilight sword, seemed like nothing compared to RKT. Somehow, I have a hard time thinking SP's going to beat RKT easily.