Originally posted by Enyalus
Dunno if you're talking about a DC-esque speedblitz, but as far as bullrushing speed, etc, Sentry was able to swoop down, scoop up, and hurl The Collective into space incredibly quickly.
Yeah im referring to a DC like blitz. As for bullrushing speed, thor has nice bullrushing speed as well.
Originally posted by ultimatethorYou are telling me that Sentry cant bullrush him? 😂 Do you realize how fast the Sentry is? You tell me that he cant fly in a stright line when he catches bullets at point blank range and flies to the sun in moments?
I have all of thor Vol 2 where that fight happened so yeah i did read it. Glads knocked thors hammer away by bullrushing him when his back as turned. Sentry wont have that luxury. What do u mean by how can thor BFR someone that can fly to d sun in moments? Genis vell did it pretty nicely. How many times has sentry used any sort of speed in battle?
I didnt say thor is going to absorb every attack, but he will certainly absorb alot of them.
Are you comparing Thor to genis vell? Didnt genis vell take on King Thor?
He flew in a straight line at WW Hulk. He has flown into how many beings now? Yet he cant do it to Thor for some reason? Thor isnt absorbing his punches. He didnt absorb Glads' punches,did he?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok. Thanos doesnt have any strength feats either but how does that stop any reasonable person from telling you that Hed own Thor in a brawl. You dont need to lift something to prove your strong. We judge most of these matches based on how they handle themselves against opponents not on them lifting the midgard serpent which you didnt read.
We've seen Thanos brawl it out with physically impressive beings before. That's enough of a feat for me to agree he'd whoop Thor and he'd whoop Sentry even harder.
The Exitar feat had the belt of strength involved as well I do believe.
What difference does this make? He blew a hole in Exitars head and Exitar was impressed enough to make a duplicate of Thor, not the belt, to study.
Juggs lost to WW Hulk. Juggs moment cant be slowed and WW Hulk was slowing it. Juggs is a bit of a plot device character anyways.
Your failure has officially become epic. WWH too advantage of a distracted Juggernaut and BFR'd him. I defy you to show me a piece of evidence that says Juggernaut can't be slowed. HE CAN'T BE STOPPED. He's been slowed before, his bio even states that walking through several tons of rock and powerful enough energy blasts can SLOW him.
He's not the Unslowable Juggernaut.
Name some Thor feats. You keep chirping yet you dont really say anything specifically. You dont even know half the stuff you chirp about. Its funny you said I downplayed something when thats all that you have been doing.
Battling Galactus, Ego, Celestials, Ymir, Surtur, SA Mangog, Juggernaut. He may not have won all these battles, but he hung in there. Which is all Sentry was able to do against a character that's weaker than most I listed.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33So,Thanos brawling it out with someone counts but Sentry brawling it out with WW Hulk doesnt? 😂 You make this so easy to just attack your double standards.
We've seen Thanos brawl it out with physically impressive beings before. That's enough of a feat for me to agree he'd whoop Thor and he'd whoop Sentry even harder.What difference does this make? He blew a hole in Exitars head and Exitar was impressed enough to make a duplicate of Thor, not the belt, to study.
Your failure has officially become epic. WWH too advantage of a distracted Juggernaut and BFR'd him. I defy you to show me a piece of evidence that says Juggernaut can't be slowed. HE CAN'T BE STOPPED. He's been slowed before, his bio even states that walking through several tons of rock and powerful enough energy blasts can SLOW him.
He's not the Unslowable Juggernaut.
Battling Galactus, Ego, Celestials, Ymir, Surtur, SA Mangog, Juggernaut. He may not have won all these battles, but he hung in there. Which is all Sentry was able to do against a character that's weaker than most I listed.
So,even though he used a belt thats ok to be used. Can I use Void feats now since its the Sentry also?
WW Hulk held him in place practically. He held his own physically which is completely different from walking through steel and such.
So,you are comparing the Sentry to him by characters he hasnt faced on panel? 😂 He had the belt of strength against Mangog and the Celestials. Juggs isnt that impressive as you try to make him out to be. He took on Surtur with the odin power. You dont even know anything about it do ya? Post the scans of him taking on Ymir under his power.
Are you saying he needs the godblast to defeat the Sentry?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are telling me that Sentry cant bullrush him? 😂 Do you realize how fast the Sentry is? You tell me that he cant fly in a stright line when he catches bullets at point blank range and flies to the sun in moments?Are you comparing Thor to genis vell? Didnt genis vell take on King Thor?
He flew in a straight line at WW Hulk. He has flown into how many beings now? Yet he cant do it to Thor for some reason? Thor isnt absorbing his punches. He didnt absorb Glads' punches,did he?
Did i say he cant bullrush him? 😕 What i mentioned was that glads succesfully knocked thors hammer away while his back was turned.
And NO im not comparing thor to genis overall. Im pointing out that Sentry can be BFred by someone not even moving at superspeed.
I really dont get the last part of ur post, you talk as if sentry is the only one who can punch. Thor can punch with his hands AND hit with his hammer. In addition to that he has a variety of energy attacks and elemental powers. Thor is superior offensively AND defensively.
And also why in the world are people debating thors exitar feat? All the belt of strength was meant for was to protect his hammer from being destroyed because of the huge energy he was putting inside. The belt even failed to do that. However it was energy that destroyed Exitars dome and the belt of strength did not amp it in any way.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,Thanos brawling it out with someone counts but Sentry brawling it out with WW Hulk doesnt? 😂 You make this so easy to just attack your double standards.So,even though he used a belt thats ok to be used. Can I use Void feats now since its the Sentry also?
WW Hulk held him in place practically. He held his own physically which is completely different from walking through steel and such.
So,you are comparing the Sentry to him by characters he hasnt faced on panel? 😂 He had the belt of strength against Mangog and the Celestials. Juggs isnt that impressive as you try to make him out to be. He took on Surtur with the odin power. You dont even know anything about it do ya? Post the scans of him taking on Ymir under his power.
Are you saying he needs the godblast to defeat the Sentry?
All you've been using is Sentry hanging with the Collective for a short time, that's all you have. My point is that Thor has faced more impressive foes.
Juggernaut was owing WWH, the Sentry wasn't.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33The Sentry and the Collective didnt defeat each other. No one really had an advantage at the point that the fight stopped. I put up a scan showing how powerful he was with all the mutants' powers that he contained.
All you've been using is Sentry hanging with the Collective for a short time, that's all you have. My point is that Thor has faced more impressive foes.Juggernaut was owing WWH, the Sentry wasn't.
Most of your foes were flat out contextless. You put up feats where he had Odin's power and the belt of strength. You just typed some names and had no real clue what actually went down just like with the Collective.
Sentry raped Terrax,burned out the WW Hulk,took on the Collective,contained a cosmic cube,took on Genis-vell,etc.
Did Genis-vell or did he not take on King Thor? Did he or did he not take on the Sentry? Is King Thor or he is not a lot more powerful than current Thor?
Juggernaut wasnt owning anything. Hulk won. Zom/Strange was owning WW Hulk and then he won. Making the Hulk bleed doesnt mean you were beating him. You seem to show a general ignorance of everyone involved in this thread and it seems formed an opinion based on the majority's opinion. 😉
Sentry wins.
Originally posted by ultimatethorMy point is that Sentry can bullrush someone as well just like Gladiator did against Thor.
Did i say he cant bullrush him? 😕 What i mentioned was that glads succesfully knocked thors hammer away while his back was turned.And NO im not comparing thor to genis overall. Im pointing out that Sentry can be BFred by someone not even moving at superspeed.
I really dont get the last part of ur post, you talk as if sentry is the only one who can punch. Thor can punch with his hands AND hit with his hammer. In addition to that he has a variety of energy attacks and elemental powers. Thor is superior offensively AND defensively.
And also why in the world are people debating thors exitar feat? All the belt of strength was meant for was to protect his hammer from being destroyed because of the huge energy he was putting inside. The belt even failed to do that. However it was energy that destroyed Exitars dome and the belt of strength did not amp it in any way.
Sentry is superior physically and he has him beat in durability and speed. Do you think the only way that Thor can win the majority here is if he godblasts right out of the gate?
Why is the Collective feat impressive? At first the Collective tossed Sentry away with ease, and then later Iron Man went up against the Collective in space on his own and did pretty good *shrugs*.
It's not really that great of a feat, because as noted the Collective didn't fully understand his powers so he didn't have full access to all the mutant powers then.
Originally posted by -K-M-And?
At first the Collective tossed Sentry away with ease, and then later Iron Man went up against the Collective in space and did pretty good on his own *shrugs*.It's not really that great of a feat, because as noted he didn't fully understand his powers so he didn't have full access to all the mutant powers then.
Sentry was fine. Iron Man had to pull him off of him.
The Collective tore through canada's best well before sentry took him on. Alpha Flight was decimated. He didnt have to understand his powers to destroy canada's finest.
Sentry was fine.
Dont downplay the Sentry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
And?Sentry was fine. Iron Man had to pull him off of him.
The Collective tore through canada's best well before sentry took him on. Alpha Flight was decimated. He didnt have to understand his powers to destroy canada's finest.
Sentry was fine.
Dont downplay the Sentry.
and? umm...your the one hyping it up more then it is
You mean where it even showed Iron Man's blasts actually had an effective on the Collective? Uber I know.
yeah and as noted and shown he killed them with their guard down...wow 😬
Where did I do this again? All I said is the Collective feat is not that impressive as it's not if you read the whole story and know the context.
Originally posted by -K-M-How isnt the Collective uber? Please tell me.
and? umm...your the one hyping it up more then it isYou mean where it even showed Iron Man's blasts actually had an effective on the Collective? Uber I know.
yeah and as noted and shown he killed them with their guard down...wow 😬
Where did I do this again? All I said is the Collective feat is not that impressive as it's not if you read the whole story and know the context.
The Collective was left alone because he was so powerful and he was basically adapting to everything they were throwing at him and learning shit on the fly.
How was their guard down? They told him to stop and then he destroyed them. That makes for a shitty team if you ask me. They made their intentions clear and got their asses handed to them in no time. Sentry took him on by himself and was fine.
How isnt the Collectove feat impressive?
Originally posted by quanchi112
How isnt the Collective uber? Please tell me.The Collective was left alone because he was so powerful and he was basically adapting to everything they were throwing at him and learning shit on the fly.
How was their guard down? They told him to stop and then he destroyed them. That makes for a shitty team if you ask me. They made their intentions clear and got their asses handed to them in no time. Sentry took him on by himself and was fine.
How isnt the Collectove feat impressive?
and what did he do that was vastly uber? He was strong yes, but uber? By doing what?
Because their orders were not to engage, but to address and talk to him. That doesn't make you a bad team, and it's laughable you even tried to go this route with that faulty logic. Also you neglected to mention the Collective attacked them off-panel, and they also were going into a fight where they didn't know who or what the Collective was. An advantage Iron Man and Sentry greatly enjoyed. Like I said if you read the story and know the context the feat is not that impressive
Because it's not 😬 Sentry literally did nothing to the Collective and their "fight" was brief, but he still tossed Sentry away with no problems. Also as mentioned the Collective did not know his full powers even then. Did we even see Collective use various powers? No not all, and in flashbacks of the Alpha Flight vs. the Collective we actually see him using various powers unlike agaisnt the Sentry.
Originally posted by -K-M-I read the story. Do you think Im pulling these scans out of a respect thread?
and what did he do that was vastly uber? He was strong yes, but uber? By doing what?Because their orders were not to engage, but to address and talk to him. That doesn't make you a bad team, and it's laughable you even tried to go this route with that faulty logic. Also you neglected to mention the Collective attacked them off-panel, and they also were going into a fight where they didn't know who or what the Collective was. An advantage Iron Man and Sentry greatly enjoyed. Like I said if you read the story and know the context the feat is not that impressive
Because it's not 😬 Sentry literally did nothing to the Collective and their "fight" was brief, but he still tossed Sentry away with no problems. Also as mentioned the Collective did not know his full powers even then.
Sure,looks like they were doing their best right before they got annihilated. You see Sentry took him on by himself. It just shows how poor of a team this is and the fact they cant defend themselves. You act like they wouldnt defend themselves. They couldnt. They were far too weak to be able to do so. Sentry was powerful enough to exchange blows by his lonesome with the Collective.
Why sell alpha flight this short? If your point is that the Collective isnt that powerful? If it is you just admitted that a not so powerful character can demolish alpha flight before they can even defend themselves.
Sentry came right back at him and he was later pulled off with no real damage to Sentry. I wish I could say the same for Canada's finest. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
I read the story. Do you think Im pulling these scans out of a respect thread?Sure,looks like they were doing their best right before they got annihilated. You see Sentry took him on by himself. It just shows how poor of a team this is and the fact they cant defend themselves. You act like they wouldnt defend themselves. They couldnt. They were far too weak to be able to do so. Sentry was powerful enough to exchange blows by his lonesome with the Collective.
Why sell alpha flight this short? If your point is that the Collective isnt that powerful? If it is you just admitted that a not so powerful character can demolish alpha flight before they can even defend themselves.
Sentry came right back at him and he was later pulled off with no real damage to Sentry. I wish I could say the same for Canada's finest. 😂
No, but your ignoring a lot of context
Oh? how do you know that? If it's their best, Shaman could have said "shush!" and froze time, or sucked the Collective into his pouch and show him the true Void which actually can threaten the universe. Guardian has blasts that have hurt Elder Gods and a weakened Galactus when the combined might of Sersi, Quasar, Her, BOX IV, Vindicator IV, Hercules couldn't do what he did in one shot. Lulz again, clearly you don't know Alpha Flight. Also Wrecker has one-shotted Hulk when his guard was down...ZOMGZ HULKZ WEAK!!! Dr.Strange was one-shotted by a thug with a bat..ZOMGZ DR.STRANGE IS WEAK!!! Avengers got one-shotted by Kang when their guard was down....ZOMGZ AVENGERS ARE WEAK!!! Your logic is astounding 😬
Because as noted in Omega Flight, handbooks and tie-ins they were not ready for him and they did not know they were going to be in a fight. That's not selling them short, that's what happened. While Iron Man and the rest of the New Avengers gained knowledge against the Collective and could do what they did because of said knowledge which AF did not have. Your using very faulty logic, as one team had no knowledge of an oppoent and got attacked when their guard was down and another who had extensive amount of prep and had many many many people working together to colloberate with.
I love your logic, sure Collective actually used extensive use of his powers to kill the team (Alpha Flight actually has duplicates of the members who died anyways, and Shaman has already reappeared), and sure the Collective literally did nothing of that kind against Sentry except tossing him. Yet that toss somehow equals the full force of the Collective? Like I said your logic is faulty 😬
Also yeah that's one image of many depicting the fight.