I've read some of the posts (skipping Moff's after his blowing up abortion clinics is A-OK statement) and am coming to the thinking that "Religion" is so deeply implanted in society that it will never truly "die out" but I still believe that as information and education become more freely available (for everyone) that religion as a ingrained part of life with diminish.
You only have to look at the rise in registry office weddings in the UK compared to the fall in church weddings. Getting married is a legally binding contract which has nothing to do with religion. The whole church thing is tacked on for the giggles of it. As is divorce, just another legal action and has nothing to do with religion.
Originally posted by MilitantDog
Getting married is a legally binding contract which has nothing to do with religion. The whole church thing is tacked on for the giggles of it. As is divorce, just another legal action and has nothing to do with religion.
Actually marriage is a religious thing with law tacked onto it. Nice try.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
So evolution is wrong. [/B]
facepalm
lol, btw. But the quote actually didn't mean to say we don't know why females outnumber males. We do. Evolution favors reproductive efficiency (among other things). A single male can impregnate multiple females, so it's only natural for there to be more females. We just don't know why the ratio is 51/49, when it could actually be more toward the female side without sacrificing possible reproductive numbers. There has to be some mitigating factor that pushes it more toward 50/50. That's what we don't know, though there are several theories that offer possible solutions, some based in culture, others in biology.
Originally posted by Digi
facepalmlol, btw. But the quote actually didn't mean to say we don't know why females outnumber males. We do. Evolution favors reproductive efficiency (among other things). A single male can impregnate multiple females, so it's only natural for there to be more females. We just don't know why the ratio is 51/49, when it could actually be more toward the female side without sacrificing possible reproductive numbers. There has to be some mitigating factor that pushes it more toward 50/50. That's what we don't know, though there are several theories that offer possible solutions, some based in culture, others in biology.
Diversity, I assume. Fewer men would make the population more vulnerable to genetic defects on the Y chromosome.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Diversity, I assume. Fewer men would make the population more vulnerable to genetic defects on the Y chromosome.
As good a theory as any, and it sounds logical. Maybe we do know why it's almost equal (and maybe you're absolutely right), and I just haven't read it. Despite having specifically looked for it at one point, I obviously can't claim to have read anywhere near all the literature on the subject.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The world would certainly be a better place if the vast majority of religions didn't exist.If I had to give up Mormonism if it mean 99% of all the world's religions disappeared, I'd do it. (Before anyone mistakes that for weak faith, it's not. I just dislike religion as a whole.)
You would abandon God for the good of mankind? 😮
Originally posted by dadudemon
The world would certainly be a better place if the vast majority of religions didn't exist.If I had to give up Mormonism if it mean 99% of all the world's religions disappeared, I'd do it. (Before anyone mistakes that for weak faith, it's not. I just dislike religion as a whole.)
Th- then why are you Mormon at all?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
You would abandon God for the good of mankind? 😮
It would be more like agnosticism that abandonment, but, yes. Quite selfless and Christ-like of me, isn't it? Abandon my God in practice for the betterment of mankind? Much too easy of a decision to make for probably any normal person.
If you could do the same, would you? Never again could your think or utter a prayer. Never again could have have mass. Never again could you thank the Lord for anything. Could you do it?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Th- then why are you Mormon at all?
You missed the point (not really, because I clearly defined what I meant by the statement, so I'm confused as to why you are confused.) I would never have to make that decision, but, if I had to, I would. It's not really a statement of a reality as much as it is just a statement of how cynical I am concerning religion.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You missed the point (not really, because I clearly defined what I meant by the statement, so I'm confused as to why you are confused.) I would never have to make that decision, but, if I had to, I would. It's not really a statement of a reality as much as it is just a statement of how cynical I am concerning religion.
I just don't understand what sort of reasoning could result in the sentiment that "religion is one of the worst things ever" coupled with "I believe in God" and lacking "I'm some manner of supernatural evil that has absolute proof of God but has a compulsion to stick it to the man".
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I just don't understand what sort of reasoning could result in the sentiment that "religion is one of the worst things ever" coupled with "I believe in God" and lacking "I'm some manner of supernatural evil that has absolute proof of God but has a compulsion to stick it to the man".
😆 😆 😆
WTF?
It would have been a lot quicker just to re-post what I said. Then you could have captured the real meaning.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It would be more like agnosticism that abandonment, but, yes. Quite selfless and Christ-like of me, isn't it? Abandon my God in practice for the betterment of mankind? Much too easy of a decision to make for probably any normal person.If you could do the same, would you? Never again could your think or utter a prayer. Never again could have have mass. Never again could you thank the Lord for anything. Could you do it?
It is not Christ-like at all, it is a fallacy to believe that mankind would benefit with the absence of the Church HE founded. There is no greater sin than the one you suggest.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
It is not Christ-like at all, it is a fallacy to believe that mankind would benefit with the absence of the Church HE founded. There is no greater sin than the one you suggest.
There will come a time when Christianity is forgotten, but there will never be a time without religion, as long as there are people.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
It is not Christ-like at all, it is a fallacy to believe that mankind would benefit with the absence of the Church HE founded. There is no greater sin than the one you suggest.
Actually, it's not a sin. It's a sacrifice. Big difference, really.
Also, judge not, etc. Only God can know the contents of a man's heart. I could be rewarded for sacrificing something so important to me for the betterment of all of man kind.
And, yes, it would benefit. All of humanity would benefit if the vast majority of religions disappeared. Just think, hasn't it been proven, empircally, that Atheists are just as moral as most other theist groups? (Let's just pretend that mores, which can and are influenced by religion, have no place). What is the need for religion if that's the case? There are those that say that we are built with our altrustic tendencies due to evolution. Wouldn't all the negatives of religion cease and the positives of altruism remain? Of course, things like abortion would be a lot more accepted...but then there's no idiot Christian/muslim fanatic craming his or her religion down others' throats, either.
Think about it: why do you think it so bad to give up your religion, even if it saved the lives (both emotionally and physically) of tens of thousands a year? The answer should be obvious: it's partially due to selfishness. Your whole world revolves around a religion, so I can understand why you would consider it so personal. God is there in his justice, mercy, and glory, regardless of people not paying homage to Him every five minutes. He's not petty, despite the old testament's stories of otherwise. Humans are too immature to give up their religion, much less stop forcing their beliefs on others. The day humans evolve, socially, enough to stop with the religious B.S., then there would be no reason to get rid of religion, no would there? 😄
Religion should ONLY be kindly offered, and not forced. No tolerance. No government exceptions for religious beliefs, with in reason. (Of course, don't force people to do stupid stuff like drink alcoholic beverages, dress without much clothes, etc. Stuff like that that doesn't affect anyone should have exceptions.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, it's not a sin. It's a sacrifice. Big difference, really.Also, judge not, etc. Only God can know the contents of a man's heart. I could be rewarded for sacrificing something so important to me for the betterment of all of man kind.
And, yes, it would benefit. All of humanity would benefit if the vast majority of religions disappeared. Just think, hasn't it been proven, empircally, that Atheists are just as moral as most other theist groups? (Let's just pretend that mores, which can and are influenced by religion, have no place). What is the need for religion if that's the case? There are those that say that we are built with our altrustic tendencies due to evolution. Wouldn't all the negatives of religion cease and the positives of altruism remain? Of course, things like abortion would be a lot more accepted...but then there's no idiot Christian/muslim fanatic craming his or her religion down others' throats, either.
Think about it: why do you think it so bad to give up your religion, even if it saved the lives (both emotionally and physically) of tens of thousands a year? The answer should be obvious: it's partially due to selfishness. Your whole world revolves around a religion, so I can understand why you would consider it so personal. God is there in his justice, mercy, and glory, regardless of people not paying homage to Him every five minutes. He's not petty, despite the old testament's stories of otherwise. Humans are too immature to give up their religion, much less stop forcing their beliefs on others. The day humans evolve, socially, enough to stop with the religious B.S., then there would be no reason to get rid of religion, no would there? 😄
Religion should ONLY be kindly offered, and not forced. No tolerance. No government exceptions for religious beliefs, with in reason. (Of course, don't force people to do stupid stuff like drink alcoholic beverages, dress without much clothes, etc. Stuff like that that doesn't affect anyone should have exceptions.)
You would reject God in order to alleviate the suffering of men on Earth.
As a mormon you think everyone is saved anyway so I guess it doesn't matter...but for a Catholic to abandon the Church and therefore God in order to alleviate the suffering of men on Earth would be a bad thing. As though they are not suffering on Earth they would ultimately suffer for all eternity in hell. (Flood of Noah?)
Though ofcourse, your "sacrifice" wouldn't even alienate men of suffering, sure religion would be gone but something else would take its place to use as propaganda for power grabbing...so in essence your sacrifice (from a Christian perspective) is actually damning mankind.
You have committed the sin of Adam and Eve...again.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavMan that is a positive look on life 😉
You would reject God in order to alleviate the suffering of men on Earth.As a mormon you think everyone is saved anyway so I guess it doesn't matter...but for a Catholic to abandon the Church and therefore God in order to alleviate the suffering of men on Earth would be a bad thing. As though they are not suffering on Earth they would ultimately suffer for all eternity in hell. (Flood of Noah?)
Though ofcourse, your "sacrifice" wouldn't even alienate men of suffering, sure religion would be gone but something else would take its place to use as propaganda for power grabbing...so in essence your sacrifice (from a Christian perspective) is actually damning mankind.
You have committed the sin of Adam and Eve...again.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Man that is a positive look on life 😉
So...you think that without religions the world would stabilise and conflict would decrease dramatically?
You also think that people do not need to worship God and the world would be a better place without him?
Oh ofcourse...you buy into universalism right?