Without the PF Jean is, just like Maddy, roughly around the same powerlevel as Emma, which is A-Class, but not uber.
But every time Jean had her shining moments of impressive tp feats, it was always about raw power, which included the PF. Emma on the other hand always had her shining moments not because of a cosmic powerboost, but because of her pure own telepathic aptitude.
So without the PF to give her an edge, Jean would go down against Emma ... not that it would be easy for Em, but she would win nonetheless.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Well I still find that questionable, but either way that should put her well below Xavier.
Xavier has the rep going for him, but current (after repowerment\bullet in the brain) incarnation is weaker than Emma.
In general Xavier wins, but he's not totally dwarfing our dear darling Emma.
Originally posted by wannabe
Without the PF Jean is, just like Maddy, roughly around the same powerlevel as Emma, which is A-Class, but not uber.
But every time Jean had her shining moments of impressive tp feats, it was always about raw power, which included the PF. Emma on the other hand always had her shining moments not because of a cosmic powerboost, but because of her pure own telepathic aptitude.
So without the PF to give her an edge, Jean would go down against Emma ... not that it would be easy for Em, but she would win nonetheless.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Xavier has the rep going for him, but current (after repowerment\bullet in the brain) incarnation is weaker than Emma.In general Xavier wins, but he's not totally dwarfing our dear darling Emma.
They are right, well my White Queen of KMC is always right just because she knows Emma.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Well I still find that questionable, but either way that should put her well below Xavier.
Will you at least explain why or are you just going to say that she is below Jean everytime with no proof or evidence to support your claim?
Originally posted by redhotrash
Raw power I dont think should dictate though. Yeah Cable might have the most potential here, but not nearly the experience that Xavier has. Professor X can use his TP like a scalpel and knows more tricks than the others combined. Its weird though that Emma is 2nd in the polls, I'd honestly rate her barely above Madelyne at the bottom here
It is wired that Emma is regarded as a close second in Skill. And I think you are underestimating Cable experience. You see out of all the telepaths mentioned, Cable is closer to Xavier age if not older (age is a factor in determining experience). Now the reason why I bring up Cables age, is because he is the only telepath out of all of the ones mentioned, that has had a proper upbringing in the realm of psi at a much younger age.
I mean its bad enough that his personal “will” is well documented, and extremely high (which also plays a factor in TP combat). But since infancy he has bin raised by his parents, and then the Askani Clan to grasp his psi abilities. Members are forgetting that, Cable employed TP to numb the pain of the T.O. and T.K. to halt its cellular progression every day of every second of his life since infancy.
I believe Cable is competing for the experience spot more so then Emma.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakWasn't it just Scott and Wolverine in the DR though?
Originally posted by ExodusCloakBut if you want to use Exodus as a gauge...😖hifty: A severly weakened Exodus handed Cable(With Virus) his ass, he handed Jean hers twice.
The same Exodus, who got beat by X-Man, who later got beat Cable. In which Cable was even weaker since he was not only hindered by the T.O. but the static released of two parallel characters interacting with one another.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Xavier was pretty much ineffective in Bloodties. In Legacy it was stated many times that Exodus wasn't trying to fight Xavier he wanted to coerce him into leading the Acolytes and was still winning with just Illusion Casting. Emma stalemated him in the Messiah Complex and then blocked him and Sinister from using their powers from half a world a way.
I mean what hope does Emma have against Cable not hindered by the T.O. ?
Originally posted by id369
[...] I mean what hope does Emma have against Cable not hindered by the T.O. ?
Originally posted by id369
The same Exodus, who got beat by X-Man, who later got beat Cable. In which Cable was even weaker since he was not only hindered by the T.O. but the static released of two parallel characters interacting with one another.Using X-Man as a gauge, a Cable not hindered by the T.O. holds the same potential. Exudes, Sinister, Xavier, and even Rachael admitted vast inferiority. In X-Man attack, Emma TP abilities where strictly dedicated to just help shield the X-Men’s thoughts.
I mean what hope does Emma have against Cable not hindered by the T.O. ?
But you see, Exodus was severly weakened, he was reduced to a power leech during that arc. And both Mr. Sinister and Emma Frost have made X-Man look like a chump for all his raw power he never truly focused it until his Shaman days.
She doesn't but then again Cable not hindered by the T.O. wouldn't need to out skill the others he could probably just overpower them individually. He'd go down hard if it was the four vs. him without the T.O though. Cable without the T.O. is kind of like throwing Cassandra Nova into the mix.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But you see, Exodus was severly weakened, he was reduced to a power leech during that arc. And both Mr. Sinister and Emma Frost have made X-Man look like a chump for all his raw power he never truly focused it until his Shaman days.She doesn't but then again Cable not hindered by the T.O. wouldn't need to out skill the others he could probably just overpower them individually. He'd go down hard if it was the four vs. him without the T.O though. Cable without the T.O. is kind of like throwing Cassandra Nova into the mix.
Then lets grant all the competitors equal footing. TP on the same level. It would then become a match of will, wits, and experience. Out of the bunch who would come on top?
My personal choice, is still Cable for the reasons mentioned earlier.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Xavier has the rep going for him, but current (after repowerment\bullet in the brain) incarnation is weaker than Emma.
Uh, what?
Xavier has recently become stronger, I'm not sure how Exodus healing him after he was shot would change that, nor have I seen anything to suggest he is weaker now than he was previously.
How is Xavier now weaker than Emma?