Future Trunks Vs GT Trunks

Originally posted by Luminatus
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Mind you this is Base Goku. It took Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks to blow away a dimensional wall back in Z.

So I don't think that demonstrates Goku as any stronger than he was before- remember, even in their natural state, he and Vegeta were far stronger than the Supreme Kai anticipated could be possible (and also many times stronger than the Kai himself). If the supreme overseer of the universe couldn't foresee the potential of the saiyan race, then it's a fair bet no one else did either (except Freiza, as it happened)- so the dimension was probably not designed to withstand even moderate attacks from fighters such as Goku and Vegeta at EoZ.

It wasn't all just harmonics. It had something to do with ki. otherwise Gotenks going to SSJ3 wouldn't make a bit of difference as his voice doesn't change.

Also, at the start of GT, Goku and Majuub fighting in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber was actually shaking the Lookout. That means the battle was so intense, shockwaves were crossing dimensions.
That doesn't make sense but it's what happened.

There's other feats too like Goku beating Super Perfect Cell and Frieza easily while at base to show how far he's come.
Throwing in powerscaling too, General Rildo was said to be stronger than Majin Buu and Goku fought him while only at SSJ1 and then SSJ2.

Rildo doesn't seem stronger than Buu- if he is, i guess maybe Goku's power level hasn't dropped. I would have expected it to have risen a lot over the 8 years between EoZ and GT anyways- but look at how much trouble he has beating Vegeta in GT. I know Vegeta was possessed by Bebi at the time- but this couldn't increase his power that much, as Tuffles aren't warriors. E.g. When Vegeta is fighting Bebi Gohan, and comments on how weak he is, Bebi says that the strength is Gohan's not his. So it's essentially Vegeta fighting Goku in terms of strength, and Vegeta is stronger until Goku goes SSJ4.

Actually, I am pretty sure Goten remakrs when he senses Baby's energy that he's stronger than anyone they had ever faced. And this is Baby without a body.
You're right though that Baby is not a fighter. He has power but no real skill or intelligence with it.

But you're right, GT Vegeta was a lot closer to Goku in power. I kinda like that because in Z, he got left in the dust at the end. All the Buus, Goku, Gohan, all > him. But in GT he's maybe just a little under Goku at the end.

I always assumed the entire reason the plot made Goku turn into a kid was so that he would be more weaker and more worthy to fight opponents, and not just destroy everyone easily. But i never even finished Dragonball GT so i don't know.

I got the feeling he was constantly sidelined in Z for plot reasons- however, he's the only character who, over the entire Z & GT series, essentially keeps pace with Goku. He's rarely in front, and as you said he's often not even in 2nd place- but he's usually in the same "order of magnitude" as Goku in terms of power, whereas almost everyone else- Tien, Gohan, Piccolo, Freeza, Android 18, pretty much any character you can name- eventually falls by the way side.
His soliloquy in GT about being the only one powerful enough to truly understand Kakarot's strength is a pretty accurate summary of this- in general, he's powerful enough to push Goku to his limits but he can't beat him.

With reference to Bebi- most of his strength seems to be devoted to controlling his subject- he needed to be stronger to control Trunks, for example, but this strength doesn't seem to amplify the powers of Gohan or Goten much- I think whatever increase to the subjects power there is is an addition, not a multiplication. E.g. Adding 5000 power to an ordinary human is a 1000 fold increase, but adding it to Vegeta would hardly be noticeable.

Originally posted by Terryc250
I always assumed the entire reason the plot made Goku turn into a kid was so that he would be more weaker and more worthy to fight opponents, and not just destroy everyone easily. But i never even finished Dragonball GT so i don't know.

Yeah but if it were full powered Adult Goku from the beginning of the series and not kid Goku, and the GT writers wrote opponents that were Adult Goku worthy, then Pan and Trunks wouldn't have much of a place in combat, because Adult Goku imo, can beat both Pan and Trunks with one hand.

Kid Goku could do that too... Kid Goku could still go SSJ1, 2 and 3. Trunks was still just an SSJ (an SSJ who hadn't fought for years to boot) and my poor Pan never went Super Saiyan.
So he'd destroy Pan and Trunks even as a child.

From what you see of Trunks and Pan fighting in GT, adult Goku could have taken them without even going Super, easily. Kid Goku might need to go Super to beat SSJ Trunks, but he'd definitely win.

Originally posted by Luminatus
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Mind you this is Base Goku. It took Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks to blow away a dimensional wall back in Z.

Well, i'm guessing that the voice artist for Kid Goku also does other stuff for the show. Look at the Simpsons- they have like, 6 main voice artists doing about 30 characters each.
I know Vegeta and Piccolo are played by the same actor in the American dub. (incidentally, how weird does the UK dub sound? Cell in particular sounds completely different, and much less impressive IMO. I think the American version's Perfect Cell sounds much better)
Also, they could have had another voice artist just doing a good impression of the original voice.

Originally posted by DantevsKratos
how did they get a identical voice for goku after like 10 yrs

Originally posted by DantevsKratos
how did they get a identical voice for goku after like 10 yrs

Mostly, adult characters are voiced by someone of their own approximate gender/age. Kids seem to be mostly voiced by women though- like Bart Simpson.

future trunks got 2 train with vegeta in the time chamber and recieved training from future gohan but despite a slow start hes pretty strong but a dbz vs dbgt match isnt accurate becuz in dbgt they make every1 from dbz look weak so i think future trunks would win