Beta Ray Bill vs Wonder Woman

Started by Raoul13 pages
Originally posted by finalflash
When the writers want him to.... Show me in his powerset where he can, The writers gave him help to move the earth, to steady a moon...... They even said that he cannot exceed the speed of light on more than one occasion, supes himself said he could not outrun light. It has never been in writing that current supes can outrun light.

and yet its on panel. multiple times. saying you can't do something, and then doing it, makes what you said redundant. when was the last time superman said he wasn't faster than light?

as far as strength goes, he moved warworld.

here we go again

superman as written is not able to go lightspeed

superman on panel has done feats that only a lightspeeder can do

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how to reconcile the two?

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My honest belief is that writers don't think scientifically when they write alot of the stuff. So if they want to demonstrate superman's speed, they have him flying from one end of a galaxy to another in a few panels. They're not calculating that it would take several hundred lightyears for such a feat in reality.

that's my opinion.

Originally posted by Raoul
and yet its on panel. multiple times. saying you can't do something, and then doing it, makes what you said redundant. when was the last time superman said he wasn't faster than light?

as far as strength goes, he moved warworld.

Warworld is the size of a moon, not a planet, hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of the earth, but is sure was not by strength. If its debatable that supes cannot outrun light, then how can it be said that he or WW can keep up with silver surfer or gladiator who can and have moved hundreds of times lightspeed?? They would need a plot, supes cannot lift anywhere near what gladiator can lift, WW cannot destroy anything near what BRB can. look at superman current stats or bio, I'm too new to post scans, but it clearly states that he cannot under his own power match light.

Originally posted by fangirl101
A snake wrapping around a man is a lot different than a snake that can wrap arounda spherical object made of rock and metal. The snake was no where near planetary unless it says in writing how much it weighed. According to your own attempts to put Wondy Down. I'll just hold you to the same measure of proof.
I would just like to point out that just being able to wrap itself around the Earth at all would put into a planetary celestial body type size. When you consider that the Earth isn't exactly the smallest a planet can be.

And if you really want to push the feat much like you did with Wonder Woman. Then Thor was not only moving the Snake, who unlike a planet, can resist, he was also fighting the effects of large amounts of gravity to pull the snake in the direction he was.

And not just one might I add but in theory up to possibly 3.

First Thor would have had to negate the natural pull of the Earth itself. Because Earth's gravity would be trying to hold the Snake as close as possible like the moon.

The natural tendency of such a large body and mass having its own gravity field. So in theory this one may or may not be true Thor had to resist the gravity of the snake itself.

Finally being the fact that snake was so large the Sun's gravity would be pulling effecting the serpent. So Thor had to resist the gravity of the Sun itself.

Along of course with the fact that the Serpent could crush a planet, and thus Thor had to pull a creature like that which was resisting.

Then you possibly have one of the single greatest strength feats around.

Cause when you think about all those forces. Just think about the Sun alone. It's gravity is so strong one such sized items that it can keep a solar system's worth of planets in line.

So in theory thanks to that feat Thor can in fact outmuscle the Sun itself and therefire in theory if you connected Thor to at least nine planets he would be able to muscle them into a sustained orbit.

Of course this is jsut the theory if you break it down far enough.

BRB

oh my god I can't believe people are using the midgard serpent feat

fer crying out loud that feat was done back when everything was ridiculous...when superman would drag planets on a chain or sneeze a planet away

please, using feats from that era is ridiculous to indicate the powerlevels of the character today

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh my god I can't believe people are using the midgard serpent feat

fer crying out loud that feat was done back when everything was ridiculous...when superman would drag planets on a chain or sneeze a planet away

please, using feats from that era is ridiculous to indicate the powerlevels of the character today

I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of trying to break down feats too much. Otherwise Thor is not just a planetary strength but Solar System strength.

This is BRB vs WW not Superman vs THor -.-

Originally posted by Newjak
I would just like to point out that just being able to wrap itself around the Earth at all would put into a planetary celestial body type size. When you consider that the Earth isn't exactly the smallest a planet can be.

And if you really want to push the feat much like you did with Wonder Woman. Then Thor was not only moving the Snake, who unlike a planet, can resist, he was also fighting the effects of large amounts of gravity to pull the snake in the direction he was.

And not just one might I add but in theory up to possibly 3.

First Thor would have had to negate the natural pull of the Earth itself. Because Earth's gravity would be trying to hold the Snake as close as possible like the moon.

The natural tendency of such a large body and mass having its own gravity field. So in theory this one may or may not be true Thor had to resist the gravity of the snake itself.

Finally being the fact that snake was so large the Sun's gravity would be pulling effecting the serpent. So Thor had to resist the gravity of the Sun itself.

Along of course with the fact that the Serpent could crush a planet, and thus Thor had to pull a creature like that which was resisting.

Then you possibly have one of the single greatest strength feats around.

Cause when you think about all those forces. Just think about the Sun alone. It's gravity is so strong one such sized items that it can keep a solar system's worth of planets in line.

So in theory thanks to that feat Thor can in fact outmuscle the Sun itself and therefire in theory if you connected Thor to at least nine planets he would be able to muscle them into a sustained orbit.

Of course this is jsut the theory if you break it down far enough.


Yeah it's just theory. The snake isn't planetary. And it certainly doesn't have a quantifiable weight. So unless I'm missing something, he's applying logic to Thor's feat but, telling me I need on panel writing for WW's. that's a load of Crap. Double standard BS. I"m not going for it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yeah it's just theory. The snake isn't planetary. And it certainly doesn't have a quantifiable weight. So unless I'm missing something, he's applying logic to Thor's feat but, telling me I need on panel writing for WW's. that's a load of Crap. Double standard BS. I"m not going for it.
Whatever it's mass is or isn't. The size of it as depicted on panel puts into a celestial body range.

As to the rest

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of trying to break down feats too much. Otherwise Thor is not just a planetary strength but Solar System strength.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Yeah it's just theory. The snake isn't planetary. And it certainly doesn't have a quantifiable weight. So unless I'm missing something, he's applying logic to Thor's feat but, telling me I need on panel writing for WW's. that's a load of Crap. Double standard BS. I"m not going for it.
I've noticed. you use. alot of. short sentences.

Originally posted by Newjak
The size of it as depicted on panel puts into a celestial body range.
but size isn't a good indication of mass.

a balloon can be larger than a car yet weight less than a pineapple.

Originally posted by finalflash
Warworld is the size of a moon, not a planet, hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of the earth, but is sure was not by strength. If its debatable that supes cannot outrun light, then how can it be said that he or WW can keep up with silver surfer or gladiator who can and have moved hundreds of times lightspeed?? They would need a plot, supes cannot lift anywhere near what gladiator can lift, WW cannot destroy anything near what BRB can. look at superman current stats or bio, I'm too new to post scans, but it clearly states that he cannot under his own power match light.

warworld had engines, that were at full thrust, and he still pushed it.

a bio? honestly? his stats? they don't lay them out in the comics...

he's flown to the moon and back in the time it took someone to finish a sentence. that's lightspeed at the very least.

vega, more than lightspeed.

do you just not like superman, or something?

Originally posted by Raoul
warworld had engines, that were at full thrust, and he still pushed it.

a bio? honestly? his stats? they don't lay them out in the comics...

he's flown to the moon and back in the time it took someone to finish a sentence. that's lightspeed at the very least.

vega, more than lightspeed.

do you just not like superman, or something?

but from my recollection (admittedly poor) everytime they explicitly describe his speed on panel, they'll talk about him breaking the sound barrier and such...but never even APPROACHING light speed

Originally posted by Starscream M
but from my recollection (admittedly poor) everytime they explicitly describe his speed on panel, they'll talk about him breaking the sound barrier and such...but never even APPROACHING light speed

cos he's on earth most of the time. if he went at light speed, he'd damage the planet. he doesn't have the safety net other characters seem to have...

in space, the distances he's travelled wouldnt be possible that quickly at sub-light speeds...

Originally posted by Raoul
cos he's on earth most of the time. if he went at light speed, he'd damage the planet. he doesn't have the safety net other characters seem to have...

in space, the distances he's travelled wouldnt be possible that quickly at sub-light speeds...

Just like the same reason why SS doesnt fly LS on Earth.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Just like the same reason why SS doesnt fly LS on Earth.
SS has gone beyond light speed on earth and planets before.

Originally posted by Raoul
cos he's on earth most of the time. if he went at light speed, he'd damage the planet. he doesn't have the safety net other characters seem to have...

in space, the distances he's travelled wouldnt be possible that quickly at sub-light speeds...

that would be a good theory except Superman has done FTLS feats on earth before

Originally posted by Starscream M
that would be a good theory except Superman has done FTLS feats on earth before

and yet people still claim he can't push past lightspeed...

which ones are you talking about?