Beta Ray Bill vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by fangirl101
I think it's within her and Superman's abilities to fight like that. I don't think they do that for fear of killing someone.

check the speed section on this page.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t495714.html

Does are some nice showing.

i think the problems lies within d/c and marvel writers.

Wonder women imo you be a top tier hero in d/c but she seems to get writen off as a 2nd rank hero when other heros get involved.

anytime supes gets mixed up in the thing. WW gets downplayed.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Does are some nice showing.

i think the problems lies within d/c and marvel writers.

Wonder women imo you be a top tier hero in d/c but she seems to get writen off as a 2nd rank hero when other heros get involved.

anytime supes gets mixed up in the thing. WW gets downplayed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
everyone gets down played when Superman gets mixed into things. It's a big problem that DC has.

I don't really think WW gets downplayed at all, she might be one of the few characters isn't effect by Supes aura. If anything Supes is constantly downplayed to allow the weaker DC characters to shine.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I don't really think WW gets downplayed at all, she might be one of the few characters isn't effect by Supes aura. If anything Supes is constantly downplayed to allow the weaker DC characters to shine.

If Supes was written in peak form every comic, there would be no need for the JLA to say the least. Considering that WW is constantly portrayed as being able to compete agaisnt him....I dont think is even remotly downplayed at all. On the other hand, Supes is always underminded otherwise no lesser DC hero's won't be able to shine.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
If Supes was written in peak form every comic, there would be no need for the JLA to say the least. Considering that WW is constantly portrayed as being able to compete agaisnt him....I dont think is even remotly downplayed at all. On the other hand, Supes is always underminded otherwise no lesser DC hero's won't be able to shine.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um. No. Unless you think Superman can replicate Wondy's skill set. Or Flashes. Or Batman's prep. Or Firestorm Matter manip and energy manip. Or GL"s infinite ability to create. Superman got his has handed to him by a quantum. It was Kyle who helped recreate the heaven's ladder. It was MM who mind linked everyone. Superman isn't a one man JLA by any means.

Oh really, so you don't think he underminded the least bit even considering he is physically stronger/faster/durable then everyone you just mentioned. If supes stopped getting written in a way to lower himself on the rest of his teams level, we would be back in the PC days which IMO is how supes should be operating at. This character can easily make a transition to skyfather if DC stopped holding him down with chains. The JLA are only viable because Supes is written down to be peers with them as opposed to there superior which he is.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oh really, so you don't think he underminded the least bit even considering he is physically stronger/faster/durable then everyone you just mentioned. If supes stopped getting written in a way to lower himself on the rest of his teams level, we would be back in the PC days which IMO is how supes should be operating at. This character can easily make a transition to skyfather if DC stopped holding him down with chains. The JLA are only viable because Supes is written down to be peers with them as opposed to there superior which he is.

Galen has a point here. Even as a kid I always wondered what the point of the Superfriends was, seeing as how Superman is stronger and faster than anyone else on the team, and logically should be able to function as well as the rest of them working together.

Originally posted by fangirl101
He'd be a boring characacter like the surfer is

Hehe.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I dont' want to hear that BS. really. Thor lifted the midgard serpent and is automatically given an uber strength feat. The weight of the snake is never mentioned.

Superman flew from vega to earth in minutes. The speed is never mentioned. It's still a feat.

But when it comes to wonder woman, she has to have the quantifiable listed?

Well I want a quantifiable measure of energy listed everytime the surfer does something uber.

And an exotic feat would be something far outside of the character's abilities. Tell me, what is the range of speed and reflexes that Wondy caps at?

WW has FTL movement for sure, some posters just try to shoot her down at any given notice.

Wonder Woman is not FTL. I just went through a few bios of hers, and while Superspeed is an attribute of hers, they don't say anything about being able to hit light speed, much less break it. The highest clocked speed I've found is Mach 3 for her.

Superman's speed feat, the Vega to Earth in minutes flight, is a measurable feat. Vega is lightyears away, and Superman made the trip in less than a year, putting his speed well above lightspeed.

Surfer has made a lightyear long trip in seconds, if that, giving him a measured speed of millions of time's above lightspeed.

The Midgard Serpant was a beast on a planetary scale, and we know that flesh is dense and heavy, much as soil and rock is, meaning that Thor has the strength to lift planet sized objects. Its not like the serpent was a long paper bag filleed with helium.

Then we have this Wondy "feat." She's going fast, sure, but ther is nothing quantifiable here. She's blocking some pieces of a shattered god, but nothing suggests they are moving FTL. Her other supposed FTL feats are just an art style, nothing even Spider-Man hasn't shown. WW is fast, but she's not FTL fast.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Wonder Woman is not FTL. I just went through a few bios of hers, and while Superspeed is an attribute of hers, they don't say anything about being able to hit light speed, much less break it. The highest clocked speed I've found is Mach 3 for her.

Superman's speed feat, the Vega to Earth in minutes flight, is a measurable feat. Vega is lightyears away, and Superman made the trip in less than a year, putting his speed well above lightspeed.

Surfer has made a lightyear long trip in seconds, if that, giving him a measured speed of millions of time's above lightspeed.

The Midgard Serpant was a beast on a planetary scale, and we know that flesh is dense and heavy, much as soil and rock is, meaning that Thor has the strength to lift planet sized objects. Its not like the serpent was a long paper bag filleed with helium.

Then we have this Wondy "feat." She's going fast, sure, but ther is nothing quantifiable here. She's blocking some pieces of a shattered god, but nothing suggests they are moving FTL. Her other supposed FTL feats are just an art style, nothing even Spider-Man hasn't shown. WW is fast, but she's not FTL fast.

oh and wondy and CM draw speed from the same God. Mercury and Hermes split into two seperate beings thanks to DS. Both with the same powers and everything.

WW is as Fast as CM. now stop hating. Better yet, Prove to us that The Shattered God wasn't pulling thousands of pieces of himself from around the Universe at faster than c. Since you know so gad damned much. Thor's feat is not any more quantifiable than Wonder Woman's. but you just choose to which one you like and which you don't. You are really starting to make me boil. And then you say SOME pieces of the shattered God. She's blocking them ALL.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Oh really, so you don't think he underminded the least bit even considering he is physically stronger/faster/durable then everyone you just mentioned. If supes stopped getting written in a way to lower himself on the rest of his teams level, we would be back in the PC days which IMO is how supes should be operating at. This character can easily make a transition to skyfather if DC stopped holding him down with chains. The JLA are only viable because Supes is written down to be peers with them as opposed to there superior which he is.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Wonder Woman is not FTL. I just went through a few bios of hers, and while Superspeed is an attribute of hers, they don't say anything about being able to hit light speed, much less break it. The highest clocked speed I've found is Mach 3 for her.

Superman's speed feat, the Vega to Earth in minutes flight, is a measurable feat. Vega is lightyears away, and Superman made the trip in less than a year, putting his speed well above lightspeed.

Surfer has made a lightyear long trip in seconds, if that, giving him a measured speed of millions of time's above lightspeed.

The Midgard Serpant was a beast on a planetary scale, and we know that flesh is dense and heavy, much as soil and rock is, meaning that Thor has the strength to lift planet sized objects. Its not like the serpent was a long paper bag filleed with helium.

Then we have this Wondy "feat." She's going fast, sure, but ther is nothing quantifiable here. She's blocking some pieces of a shattered god, but nothing suggests they are moving FTL. Her other supposed FTL feats are just an art style, nothing even Spider-Man hasn't shown. WW is fast, but she's not FTL fast.

Supes also bullrushed DS to the source wall in 3 panels which is on the far edge of the DCU which would put in him millions of times FTL as well...he also moved the gears of a solar sized object. The serpent was never stated as being the weight of the planet, just like how a worm wrapped around a apple isn't the same wieght of the apple.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes is in their league. Again,you are talking about your personal view of him and trying to dismiss the actual comics themselves. He is above WW physically,but she is a peer of his. Thats just the way it is and comics have supported this. I cant believe you are acting like dc underscores Superman. They favor him far too much.

If DC favored Supes he would be his own team and be back at his PC levels.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
If DC favored Supes he would be his own team and be back at his PC levels.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
If DC favored Supes he would be his own team and be back at his PC levels.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Would you really like Superman to be his own team? The only way he'd be any good as a comic hero was off world. Fighting SkyGods and such.

Supes has always stated the reason he hold off on realizing his true potential is because of his love for humans. I would love to see a mini series when Supes finally gives into vanity and becomes what he was meant to be. There are ways to right for him in that form that wouldn't be to boring like SS, although SS wasn't that bad. I personally Find someone like Wolverine a much more boring character.