DC's pantheons VS the Celestials

It always seemed the case that Earth's pantheons in the MU could never do anything to stop the Space Gods. Three sky fathers combined were described as "gnats" compared to a Celestial who wasn't even the biggest of his kind. Celestials' power is simply beyond that of these pantheons and I believe it may also have been depicted to be above Galactus as well. But the Celestials now decide to do their stuff in the DCU. No cosmic entities (the Endless, the Specter, 5-D Imps, etc) can be involved in any way.

All of DC Earth's pantheons, including the New Gods (with Apokolips and DS maybe having something to do with it), must find a way to stop the Celestials from destroying Earth. If they can't stop them, the Celestials will systematically attack each home realm of each pantheon until either the Celestials are stopped or all of DC's pantheons and their home realms are destroyed. Earth's heroes and villains can't be involved in any way.

1st scenario: As much prep time as Marvel Earth's pantheons had.
2nd scenario: No prep time.
3rd scenario: The pantheons have the Asgardian Destroyer and are allowed to project their souls into it to power and control it to attack the Celestials. Will they fare better than Marvel's Asgardians did? Also, the Destroyer does of course have the Odinsword.
4th scenario: Same as 3, but the Destroyer has Marvel Surtur's Twilight Sword instead of the Odinsword.

Celestials

If you're talking about prep the New Gods and the Greek gods could take out the Celestials. Remember that the New Gods for instance are an ultimate power themselves, only the Source and heaven itself are really above them in DC.

There are characters more powerful than the individual gods in between but few if any can dwarf the power of the entire pantheon. And New Gods are called star gods as well.

The New Gods have the Source and with prep (New Genesis and Apokolips combined) can amass plenty of power, through their tech and the Source. Apok could awaken several of the imprisoned prometheans including DS's father Yuga, they could call upon the power of the Source and they take it.

The Greek gods can have the godwave when things get hairy and the other pantheons in contribution can help.

Problem with the MU pantheons is that they don't have a power source like the Source to call upon.

For scenario 2 the Celestials take it. In one crossover Galactus was able to launch a successful attack on Apok.

Personally that was a bit of PIS to me considering that Apokolips is the size of a galaxy (at least) and has enormous military resources of the highest tech levels.

But it does show what one Super Celestial can do when he has the element of surprise.

For scenario three the Pantheons outnumber the celestials and are each quite powerful so infusing all their power into the destroyer could tip the scales for them.

First of all the Celestials shit stomp the god in every scenario, except maybe in scenario 1.

Originally posted by Allankles
For scenario three the Pantheons outnumber the celestials and are each quite powerful so infusing all their power into the destroyer could tip the scales for them.

There are billions of Celestials.

Originally posted by Allankles
The New Gods have the Source and with prep (New Genesis and Apokolips combined) can amass plenty of power, through their tech and the Source. Apok could awaken several of the imprisoned prometheans including DS's father Yuga, they could call upon the power of the Source and they take it.

The Source has been splitted in 3 by three old gods, its certainly their best chance; but given the jobbing nature of the Source I can see the Celestials taking some. Calling upon the Source is no guarantee of victory, given history.

Originally posted by Bentley
First of all the Celestials shit stomp the god in every scenario, except maybe in scenario 1.

There are billions of Celestials.

The Source has been splitted in 3 by three old gods, its certainly their best chance; but given the jobbing nature of the Source I can see the Celestials taking some. Calling upon the Source is no guarantee of victory, given history.

And the fact the Source let it happen and knew about it before hand, for its own purpose..

Originally posted by Bentley

There are billions of Celestials.

Really? Thought they were millions given how powerful they are supposed to be. But how many Pantheons do you think there are?

Every civilization and world has its pantheons and there are several universes with corresponding pantheons.

Originally posted by Bentley
The Source has been splitted in 3 by three old gods, its certainly their best chance; but given the jobbing nature of the Source I can see the Celestials taking some. Calling upon the Source is no guarantee of victory, given history.

Of course if the Source was imperfect at the time and split from itself the Celestials may have a chance, otherwise they have zero chance. And I don't remember the Source ever jobbing.

It has looked surmountable when it's been made vulnerable due to certain circumstances like becoming divided etc otherwise it's really not something that becomes an opponent, it's a power source primarily and isn't necessarily sentient in the traditional sense, it has a voice but it has no specific personality or anything.

Originally posted by Allankles
Really? Thought they were millions given how powerful they are supposed to be. But how many Pantheons do you think there are?

Every civilization and world has its pantheons and there are several universes with corresponding pantheons.

Pantheons aren't as much as a problem as the source. Suppose every earth pantheon has 100 gods, with a varying power level of course, and that there are 10000 civilizations on earth -in theoretical statements, since on panel pantheons in DC are not this much-, then we have still less gods than Celestials, most of them with too little power to matter.

Most of the power levels given to the Old gods is speculation, and if you asked me if three 10XYuga would defeat the Celestials I would say no.

To date, what is the best prep feat ever shown by a New god? I think is Darkseid getting enough power to match the Imperfect Source (and as some of you said, it happened because it was allowed by the Source). I think it is the realms of possibilities to have the Celestials beat that level, although they would lose numbers and it would take the best they have; they could take it if they had prep, but as it stands I still think that the Pantheons can take it.

Also, despite the Newgods being a part of the Source and using it to power themselves, this thread does not read "the Source against the Celestials". Keep that in mind.

Scenario One and Two: Celestials win.

Scenario Three and Four: Pantheons take it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
um. no. The source was split by Three Old Gods. Do you know how powerful those Gods were? The heads of Pantheons. More powerful than Yugah Khan. More powerful than any other prometheans. The Source was uber powerful. The source Jobbed in your head because you forget that ever feat it has, was at half power. I hate it when people argue about DC characters and don't even read the books.

More powerful than Yugah? We are talking about Celestials here, each one of them would own, replicate and get past all of Yugah's feats, this isn't Thanos.

(I won't get into the argument of the Source being supposedly infinite but somehow half of it gets stalemated beaten or split, the Source does shaky things for an admitted omni-potent, but if its excused somehow, good. Talking about omnipotents is a waste of time in this forum)

Originally posted by Bentley
(I won't get into the argument of the Source being supposedly infinite but somehow half of it gets stalemated beaten or split, the Source does shaky things for an admitted omni-potent, but if its excused somehow, good. Talking about omnipotents is a waste of time in this forum)

Even when The Source was whole it was stalemated by DS.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Even when The Source was whole it was stalemated by DS.

Stalemated? no. Wanting to know what DS was up to and letting him spill the beans then removing ALE over him, yes. free will is how DS got as far as he did, which is still his best feat to date, which is up there with the Old Gods feat, very good for DS.

The Celestrials btw win, the gods would need much more time to begin to fight them.

Which means no New god has ever reached Source level powers? why does everyone claim that these guys are becoming the Source or winning when there aren't proves to back that up?

Originally posted by kevdude
Stalemated? no. Wanting to know what DS was up to and letting him spill the beans then removing ALE over him, yes. free will is how DS got as far as he did, which is still his best feat to date, which is up there with the Old Gods feat, very good for DS.

In DOTNG, it's generous of me to say The Source was stalemating Darkseid...considering that DS got more shots in. So if anything, The Source was losing and needed Orion's help in order to defeat DS.

Originally posted by Enyalus
In DOTNG, it's generous of me to say The Source was stalemating Darkseid...considering that DS got more shots in. So if anything, The Source was losing and needed Orion's help in order to defeat DS.

I'm pretty sure Orion would have been deployed then the Source watched them battle and created the Fifth World which is what he wanted anyway. Read all of DNG when it removes DS's control over it easily.. Comes down to free will and thats how DS was able to last longer then the others.

Originally posted by Juntai
Didn't understand the story, huh?

Pretty sure I did. A completed Source, with the ALE, stalemated an amped DS. That's my point.

Originally posted by kevdude
I'm pretty sure Orion would have been deployed then the Source watched them battle and created the Fifth World which is what he wanted anyway. Read all of DNG when it removes DS's control over it easily.. Comes down to free will and thats how DS was able to last longer then the others.

Yeah, the ALE was removed from DS. When he took the Soulfire formula, though, he stalemated a completed Source. No one was debating or arguing that The Source removed the ALE from DS.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, the ALE was removed from DS. When he took the Soulfire formula, though, he stalemated a completed Source. No one was debating or arguing that The Source removed the ALE from DS.

The ALE was removed from DS when he left the Fourth World and came to Earth, he gave it up willingly to attack Jimmy and kill Superman in Countdown which he would have done if not for Orion interfering. The Source removed DS's ALE hold over it after DS let his plans be known, which he shouldn't have done, giving the Source more info into creating a more perfect Fifth World which will be more powerful then the 4th World.

back to the fight.. 😎

Originally posted by kevdude
The ALE was removed from DS when he left the Fourth World and came to Earth, he gave it up willingly to attack Jimmy and kill Superman in Countdown which he would have done if not for Orion interfering. The Source removed DS's ALE hold over it after DS let his plans be known, which he shouldn't have done, giving the Source more info into creating a more perfect Fifth World which will be more powerful then the 4th World.

Yeah. Dude. I know all that. I read DOTNG and Countdown. Doesn't matter, and wasn't what I was talking about. DS stalemated a completed Source after drinking the Soulfire formula. So no, The Source isn't OMGWOW! It's fallible. And defeatable. Meaning, even if the New Gods call on its power, I don't see them beating billions of Celestials in many scenarios.