Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Taking down an omnipotent being is a feat itself and you think that's nothing? 😐 And dude, in almost any form of fiction, Gods are omnipotent to the people, as they're portrayed as far beyond anything (in terms of being powerful). This kind of somewhat holds true to the MK universe too, except you got Elder Gods (who are above the regular Gods), then the One Being, who is basically reality itself.Now if you want to know what the Elder Gods are in power, they don't personally interfere with what goes on in the other realms, unless it's a threat to their, in which they chooses a champion for them and amp them up with to beat the threat. As shown in Raiden's MK1 ending (though non-canon), it seems the Gods fighting on Earth would eventually destroy it after years of fighting. Shinnok was one of the of the Elder Gods centuries ago and during his fight with Raiden (a regular God), they nearly do destroy the planet.
Right now, Shao Kahn is ruler of all realms, possibly the Heavens too. They've all merged into Outworld, with nobody able to stop him.
Exactly. It means nothing to me because I'll I'm hearing is the word omnipotent from you and not giving me anything to back it up. So what if the One Being is reality? What can he do in a fight? And more importantly, how does this relate to Shao Kahn?
So, they're cowards with no feats to them whatsoever? Good to know. You're getting closer with the fight between those two Gods that destroyed the planet. Elaborate on that and it may mean a damn to me.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Right now, Shao Kahn is ruler of all realms, possibly the Heavens too. They've all merged into Outworld, with nobody able to stop him.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Yeah, it's possible he won't come back immediately. I was just throwing that in there.If the One Being is reality, then Shao Kahn's got that reality under his control, due to the fact that he's got all realms merged into this own.
It's been a while since I play MKA but I don't think you actually fight Blaze in Konquest. The events of Konquest just simply leads up to the battle that happens in the intro.
With that part in mind (and the fact Onaga picked up Kahn and flew him away from Blaze's location in the game's intro), there's technically no way Kahn would've been able to get to the top of the pyramid before all the others that were trying to do so and defeated Blaze himself, especially when the game's story mode claimed that Taven did so, unless they did some massive retconning to the game in Shao Kahn's favor like I mentioned before, in which case, boo.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The One Being is not omnipotent. Stop using that word.
I won't stop using that word, because that's what he is.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Exactly. It means nothing to me because I'll I'm hearing is the word omnipotent from you and not giving me anything to back it up. So what if the One Being is reality? What can he do in a fight? And more importantly, how does this relate to Shao Kahn?So, they're cowards with no feats to them whatsoever? Good to know. You're getting closer with the fight between those two Gods that destroyed the planet. Elaborate on that and it may mean a damn to me.
I did give you something to back it up. The fact that he's reality and nobody can truly kill him means he's obviously omnipotent. Heck, the Elder Gods had to create something just to stop him. And it relates to Shao Kahn because the Elder Gods, who stopped the One Being, hasn't stopped Shao Kahn.
No, they're not cowards. It's something like a rule. They're not to interfere with anything that's not a threat to existence or to their realm.
I'm not gonna to try to force you to understand if you simply refuse to listen.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, nowhere in Kahn's Armageddon ending are the Elder Gods even mentioned.Why are we using their power as if it means anything when talking about Shao Kahn?
Because the ending said he's merged each realm and that he's got nothing left to conquer, which wouldn't sound right if he's got another realm (the Heavens) floating over his head.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
I did give you something to back it up. The fact that he's reality and nobody can truly kill him means he's obviously omnipotent. Heck, the Elder Gods had to create something just to stop him. And it relates to Shao Kahn because the Elder Gods, who stopped the One Being, hasn't stopped Shao Kahn.No, they're not cowards. It's something like a rule. They're not to interfere with anything that's not a threat to existence or to their realm.
I'm not gonna to try to force you to understand if you simply refuse to listen.
If he were omnipotent, nothing could stop him. I don't care if he is reality. And big whoop if they haven't stopped Shao Kahn. According to what you've told me, they could very well just be looking for the right hero to do it instead.
Then what makes you think Shao Kahn is a threat? If they don't bother with him, I may as well assume he isn't a threat.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The "Heavens" is where the Elder Gods reside right? It's pretty questionable as to whether or not Kahn's realm mergings actually affected them there.
Seeing that he has become a god, I wouldn't be surprise if it did.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
If we're talking about the same game here, then yes. You do face Blaze in MKA's Konquest. He challenges Taven and they fight.With that part in mind (and the fact Onaga picked up Kahn and flew him away from Blaze's location in the game's intro), there's technically no way Kahn would've been able to get to the top of the pyramid before all the others that were trying to do so and defeated Blaze himself, especially when the game's story mode claimed that Taven did so, unless they did some massive retconning to the game in Shao Kahn's favor like I mentioned before, in which case, boo.
That video doesn't show Taven fighting Blaze. Also, keep in mind that they were distances away in that scene.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Seeing that he has become a god, I wouldn't be surprise if it did.
Even if Kahn's a god now, he's still just one. The Elder Gods are many.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
That video doesn't show Taven fighting Blaze.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Also, keep in mind that they were distances away in that scene.
Also, you still haven't shown me what I asked (see last post), so why should I believe your claims about Shao Kahn winning armageddon and all that? I could say Johnny Cage won based on little info too if I wanted and that he let Shao Kahn kill Raiden afterward right before killing Kahn himself.
Originally posted by Bro SMASHOmnipotence does not mean "Unable to be killed," that is the definition of immortal, in fact most times one is called immortal even that is not true.
Stopped and killed are two different things.
Omnipotence is all powerful, as in, unable to be overpowered.
Like the One Being was.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
So the fact that nobody, not even the Elder Gods, is able to stop Shao Kahn after he's merged all the realms (yes, ALL of them) doesn't mean ANYTHING to you?
Where exactly does it say that the Elder Gods stepped in to stop Shao Kahn from merging the realms? When Shao Kahn violated the rules and invaded Earth Realm, did the Elder Gods do anything? Why would they do anything now?
When Onaga, a much greater threat than Shao Kahn, was resurrected, they intervened via giving Scorpion a power-up. When Scorpion failed, did they directly step in?
Secondly, apart from Quan Chi and Shujinko, no one else is stated to challenge the Elder Gods, or to be a threat to them. Not even Onaga. Onaga needed all the Kamidogu to be considered a threat, and the most the Elder Gods did, was to send in a powered up Ninja Specter.
Quan Chi ascends to the Heavens to try and take out the Elder Gods, but we know how easily he is dealt with.
As for Shujinko, we don't know what the outcome is, but we do know that the power Shujinko had was the power of Blaze, his own, and that of every other Kombatant. That's what it took for Shujinko to try and challenge them, and he was mad at the time. A base Shujinko took down Onaga, so I believe that the ending version of Shujinko was the most powerful MK character, short of the Elder Gods and the One Being. Even then we do not know if he succeeded.
Thirdly, Shao Kahn is a conqueror. The ending specifically states that the Forces of Light could not stop his Final Invasion. Ergo, it wasn't through some spell that he merged the realms; it was simply due to the fact that there was no combatant around strong enough to defeat him in combat.
Nor would the Forces of Light include the Elder Gods...beings that have absolutely no interest in the affairs of the lower realms.
Thus I highly doubt that Shao Kahn even challenged the Elder Gods, or that they even tried to stop him directly.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
And I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite were true, seeing that Shinnok was a god too, and the elder gods were still able to deal with him accordingly.Even if Kahn's a god now, he's still just one. The Elder Gods are many.
Shinnok was an Elder God himself.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
It's the cutscene right before the fight. I thought that would be enough to make you remember since you said you played the game. Do I have to post a video of them actually fighting in the konquest mode too and the aftermath of it for you to get the point? I'm beginning to think that whoever said you have a skull thicker than Wolverine's was right.
Wait, hold on, why the hell would you post a video that doesn't show the fight and then talk like you know one that does? If you do know one, you should have posted that in the first place if you want to make your point. That makes absolutely no sense.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
That has no importance. They still fight right after that scene. Blaze teleports Taven near him, they duke it out at the top of the pyramid of Argus, and Taven wins. Shao Kahn was never there during that time. I know, I have the game, and probably played the konquest more times than you.
Well then it must have been retconned then. And this isn't about who played it the most.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Also, you still haven't shown me what I asked (see last post), so why should I believe your claims about Shao Kahn winning armageddon and all that? I could say Johnny Cage won based on little info too if I wanted and that he let Shao Kahn kill Raiden afterward right before killing Kahn himself.
This was said in one of the interviews:
"The story begins with Raiden, just when he is about to be killed by Shao Kahn in the events that happen after Armageddon. In a last effort, he sends a message to himself in the past, in the era of "Mortal Kombat", the first game. The rest of the story follows that Raiden's past and shows him trying to understand the visions and messages he gets from himself in the future and trying to prevent the events that lead to destruction of all realities."
This pretty much implies that Shao Kahn won Armageddon.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Omnipotence does not mean "Unable to be killed," that is the definition of immortal, in fact most times one is called immortal even that is not true.Omnipotence is all powerful, as in, unable to be overpowered.
Like the One Being was.
A defeat can come in numerous ways. It was never said that he was "overpowered".
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Where exactly does it say that the Elder Gods stepped in to stop Shao Kahn from merging the realms? When Shao Kahn violated the rules and invaded Earth Realm, did the Elder Gods do anything? Why would they do anything now?
When Onaga, a much greater threat than Shao Kahn, was resurrected, they intervened via giving Scorpion a power-up. When Scorpion failed, did they directly step in?
They didn't "directly" step in but they were still involved. They knew of the events of Armageddon before it happen, thus, they created Blaze. They didn't any of the combatants to win Armageddon but they were unsuccessful, now that an evil warlord has won.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Secondly, apart from Quan Chi and Shujinko, no one else is stated to challenge the Elder Gods, or to be a threat to them. Not even Onaga. Onaga needed all the Kamidogu to be considered a threat, and the most the Elder Gods did, was to send in a powered up Ninja Specter.
Quan Chi ascends to the Heavens to try and take out the Elder Gods, but we know how easily he is dealt with.
As for Shujinko, we don't know what the outcome is, but we do know that the power Shujinko had was the power of Blaze, his own, and that of every other Kombatant. That's what it took for Shujinko to try and challenge them, and he was mad at the time. A base Shujinko took down Onaga, so I believe that the ending version of Shujinko was the most powerful MK character, short of the Elder Gods and the One Being. Even then we do not know if he succeeded.
He's merged each realm, which no doubt includes the Heavens, in which the Elder Gods resides. Thus, trying to defeat would be useless.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Thirdly, Shao Kahn is a conqueror. The ending specifically states that the [b]Forces of Light could not stop his Final Invasion. Ergo, it wasn't through some spell that he merged the realms; it was simply due to the fact that there was no combatant around strong enough to defeat him in combat.
Nor would the Forces of Light include the Elder Gods...beings that have absolutely no interest in the affairs of the lower realms.[/B]
This could mean that the Forces of Light tried to resist him and failed. The Elder Gods may not have put a resistence, as it would have been useless. Either way, after that, it is said that he merged EACH realm, thus it's safe to say that he also merged the Heavens.
Thus I highly doubt that Shao Kahn even challenged the Elder Gods, or that they even tried to stop him directly. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Wait, hold on, why the hell would you post a video that doesn't show the fight and then talk like you know one that does? If you do know one, you should have posted that in the first place if you want to make your point. That makes absolutely no sense.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
This was said in one of the interviews:"The story begins with Raiden, just when he is about to be killed by Shao Kahn in the events that happen after Armageddon. In a last effort, he sends a message to himself in the past, in the era of "Mortal Kombat", the first game. The rest of the story follows that Raiden's past and shows him trying to understand the visions and messages he gets from himself in the future and trying to prevent the events that lead to destruction of all realities."
This pretty much implies that Shao Kahn won Armageddon.
Blaze was indeed corrupted by the Onaga's holymen in the past, and with everyone's powers becoming stronger than before (according to above ending), it explains how armageddon was caused and how Kahn was able to kill Raiden, who was already corrupted since Deception.