Darkseid is kind of speciel wouldn't you agree, the source has showed that it doesn't allow him to die.
I recall it said twisted universes yes,
To me it seems just like what Hyperstorm did to Sue Richards, he is having a higher control thus he can deny access to it for being operating on a lower scall then himself.
Darkseid is special in the sense that he is above most new gods,but the fact remains that yuga cut him highfather(darkseids equal)and every other new god off from the source and not just that but anything that relied on the source even the mother boxes ect nothing worked and he did it all with no effort...I just don't see your everyday galactus dealing with that kind of power.
Galactus has bad and good showings, Yuga has pretty much no showings, in true its logic that Galactus has not power stripping feats everyday. We know that at the very least he stripped Morg with water of life of the PC, and we've seen him strip Korvac's power too.
If Yuga's power didn't come from the Source I would be more surprised of him cutting everyone from it. As it stands he could do it just by controlling the Source better. If Yuga has depowered sky-father level characters, Galan has also depowered some himself.
I don't see that lone feat enough to bump Yuga as an equal to Galactus of higher, so I would prefer to use other feats to decide, if there are other that back up that level I have no qualms with it.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Darkseid is special in the sense that he is above most new gods,but the fact remains that yuga cut him highfather(darkseids equal)and every other new god off from the source and not just that but anything that relied on the source even the mother boxes ect nothing worked and he did it all with no effort...I just don't see your everyday galactus dealing with that kind of power.
I was more thinking speciel in the way that when Spectre killed him he was ressurrected.
I realise that, but as said I doesn't quiet see the difference between Yuga Khan and what Hyperstorm did do towards Sue and what he in theory could do towards the Celestials based on what Sue did to them.
As I believe it has been mentioned prior, it's a impressive feat, but isn't the case simply that Yuga Khan has a greater control over the source? And how would a greater control over the source help him against a Being that draws no energy from the source, in this case Galactus?
Its more about the fact that he wrestled that control from hundreds of thousands of universal+characters effortlessly it wasn't galactus depowering a herald,it wasn't hyperstorm depowering a peon on like sue,it was a guy saying to the entire pantheon of universal+gods LOL YOU HAVE YOUR POWERS NO MORE,galactus on average is not a multiversal level character...he just isn't,galactus will put up a fight sure but yuga will win,yuga khan is the strongest of a pantheon that can create beings without much effort at all who can channel near limitless might.
This thing about New Gods being universal-level beings (let alone on the average) or Darkseid dragging down the universe sounds like hyperbolic nonsense. Fanboyism, in fact. If any of it were true then everything that every happened in the entire history of the New Gods wouldn't have. I'm pretty sure I've seen Orion come up even with Superman and Darkseid have trouble with the Man of Steel even in the 80s - 90s when he hadn't yet become Jobberseid. DS failed to kill Doomsday and if that's the case then he's no universe-buster. Maybe not even a planet-buster. I don't remember any New God destroying galaxies, let alone universes. In fact I remember that S'ivaa (sp), a Promethean Giant, had trouble with Superman and Orion put together. Where you got the idea that a 5 year old New God can beat up Superman or that any, let alone all, New Gods are universal-level (or higher), I have no idea. I thought that this would be a good fight because even if Darkseid isn't really skyfather-level, his power however is dwarfed by Yuga's, so I figured that Yuga might be a good fight for Galactus.
Originally posted by UKR
This thing about New Gods being universal-level beings (let alone on the average) or Darkseid dragging down the universe sounds like hyperbolic nonsense. Fanboyism, in fact. If any of it were true then everything that every happened in the entire history of the New Gods wouldn't have. I'm pretty sure I've seen Orion come up even with Superman and Darkseid have trouble with the Man of Steel even in the 80s - 90s when he hadn't yet become Jobberseid. DS failed to kill Doomsday and if that's the case then he's no universe-buster. Maybe not even a planet-buster. I don't remember any New God destroying galaxies, let alone universes. In fact I remember that S'ivaa (sp), a Promethean Giant, had trouble with Superman and Orion put together. Where you got the idea that a 5 year old New God can beat up Superman or that any, let alone all, New Gods are universal-level (or higher), I have no idea. I thought that this would be a good fight because even if Darkseid isn't really skyfather-level, his power however is dwarfed by Yuga's, so I figured that Yuga might be a good fight for Galactus.
Let's not get carried away. The New Gods live in the fourth world within their own universe all the other worlds in the multiverse are like peons to them when they are in their true forms.
When a character uses a boom tube to arrive in their universe the technology of the device amplifies there size and power that's the only reason Supes could do anything to S'Ivaa as he had been amplified both in size and in power by the boom tube.
The New Gods are very powerful but also seemingly vulnerable. The reason why DS influence is mutliversal in FC is because New Genesis and the fourth world are no longer there to shield the rest of the universe from Darkseid.
He has come down from the Fourth World in the fullness of his power and his presence is warping the fabric of reality in the DC multiverse. The Fourth World housed the New Gods, without it the multiverse feels the effects.
Their depictions have not always been the same. Just like Galactus appears weak in some stories and stronger in others.
These are comics, not science, chill out.
Boom tubes equalize their powers and let the new gods intteract with mainstream dc without causing massive cosmic upheavel..on panel it was talked about new gods shaping twisted universes in their hands,on new gods dwarf solar systems,go read freaking final crisis for god sakes darkseid falling into the 3rd world is dragging down the multiverse...thats what happens when they don't use boomtubes
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the new gods have always been real ''gods''above gods such as asgardians ect,they have bodies to intteract with the mortal plan and in their homeworld people coming there by boomtube get placed into proportional bodies like theirs.
People seriously need to go read kirbys work not look at a few panels of some superman comics and decide how strong the new gods are,they are true blue cosmic juggernauts and yuga khan was the strongest of them all.
OK, I see where this bullcrap is going. For some completely irrational reason you're assuming I set up this scenario so that the New Gods haven't had their powers reduced by Mother Boxes to fit them into Earth's universe. Well, they HAVE. It's part of the scenario as I'm writing it. I don't know where you got the idea that that wasn't the default.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
galactus on average is not a multiversal level character
Which is the only reason people are giving Yuga even the chance to compete. In average he is "not multiversal" simply because in average he doesn't face people that are all that powerful, quite the opposite, he faces relatively weak characters. In fact, we know Galactus is a multiversal character, ask Mr. Master if you want to.
I would like to bring other feats of Yuga here to discuss him, we are exposed to his very best feat, but we haven't heard a lot else. That's not a way of debating.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Its more about the fact that he wrestled that control from hundreds of thousands of universal+characters effortlessly it wasn't galactus depowering a herald,it wasn't hyperstorm depowering a peon on like sue,it was a guy saying to the entire pantheon of universal+gods LOL YOU HAVE YOUR POWERS NO MORE,galactus on average is not a multiversal level character...he just isn't,galactus will put up a fight sure but yuga will win,yuga khan is the strongest of a pantheon that can create beings without much effort at all who can channel near limitless might.
From what I can tell by the scans showed in the respect thread concerning the new gods, he didn't wrest control from them as much as he simply denied them the ability to draw energy from the Source. Whether it be Sue ore the New Gods it appears as the same scenario, a being with greater control over a given source can deny others from gaining access to it, if you have any scans that shoots this theory of mine down then please by all means.
Galactus isn't a Multiversal level Character? Has Yuga Khan ever affected the DC Multiverse?
Just like Galactus created Tyrant?
Originally posted by fangirl101
People believe what they want. It even says in the final crisis that the Bodies of the New Gods of the 4th were celestial bodies. But not their true forms.
I used to love those days were people brought in scans to inform the others about the situation. We try to be fair with characters, many posters think Galactus suck because the Thing and Thor had been shown giving him problems, others think Darkseid suck because Supes hit him a few times; good showings or bad showings, its not good just to take one or two to define a character. I don't want to define Yuga around this "negating access to the Source" feat, I want to understand more the character.
People may find this arrogant maybe, or unneeded. But I'm willing to change my mind when coming into a debate, something not everyone in this forum can say.
Originally posted by Bentley
I used to love those days were people brought in scans to inform the others about the situation. We try to be fair with characters, many posters think Galactus suck because the Thing and Thor had been shown giving him problems, others think Darkseid suck because Supes hit him a few times; good showings or bad showings, its not good just to take one or two to define a character. I don't want to define Yuga around this "negating access to the Source" feat, I want to understand more the character.People may find this arrogant maybe, or unneeded. But I'm willing to change my mind when coming into a debate, something not everyone in this forum can say.
Originally posted by Bentley
Does he actually blinks and destroy a planet or its just stated? Mostly to know if he uses power to destroy a planet of if he is simply physically destroy a planet by blinking -this guys can be so big that I can see it happening-.
