this is movie batman. he doesn't have the jobber aura or the PIS of comicbooks on his side. so no, he goes down cuz one of the most overlooked things in batman world is how predictable and easy to psychoanalyse he is. and Jiggy is a master of the mind. Batman is easy to play: he's suffering from a huge messiah complex, has a twisted childhood, a fear of losing people he loves and simply put: he has a problem getting over things. (he's also probably homosexual and has a fetish for little boys in tights but i won't go there)
Jigsaw f0cks him up.
~Sado
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
You say that like Jigsaw is half as intelligent as Joker or something.And he did find Joker.
I don't know who is going to score higher on an IQ test, probably jidsaw just because the joker will be showing his teacher magic tricks after he hands out the pencils but they are both geniuses. They are both masterful planners and they can both read people like a computer scanning a cd. The Joker and Jigsaw are like the same mind but at opposite ends of the spectrum. Besides, Jigsaw doesn't have to outsmart the Joker but yes, I believe Jigsaw is as smart if not smarter than the Joker.
Being told where to find someone and actually finding someone are two different things. Batman admitted he couldn't find the Joker.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxJigsaw was always on the run and never revealed anything about himself, and limited himself to kidnapping small groups of people at a time at best for his crimes. Joker participated in his crimes, allowed himself to get arrested, somehow managed to transport bombs on heavily guarded ships, kept groups of psychos he broke out of Arkham in check(Jigsaw could not do the same with one disturbed girl), and still managed to not get caught until Batman himself found him, and in the end he still managed to achieve his real goal, proving that under the right circumstances, anyone can become a murderer like him. He concealed himself from an entire city, and simultaneously terrorized it. Joker's schemes are first rate, Jigsaw, though very intelligent, does not compare.
I don't know who is going to score higher on an IQ test, probably jidsaw just because the joker will be showing his teacher magic tricks after he hands out the pencils but they are both geniuses. They are both masterful planners and they can both read people like a computer scanning a cd. The Joker and Jigsaw are like the same mind but at opposite ends of the spectrum. Besides, Jigsaw doesn't have to outsmart the Joker but yes, I believe Jigsaw is as smart if not smarter than the Joker.Being told where to find someone and actually finding someone are two different things. Batman admitted he couldn't find the Joker.
Batman prepared and built the sonar system to find him and planned it all out...All Morgan Freeman did was tell him where he was using Batman's plan.
I mean, technically, a bunch of police officers "found" Jigsaw, they just were to stupid to avoid his traps inside the house.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Jigsaw was always on the run and never revealed anything about himself, and limited himself to kidnapping small groups of people at a time at best for his crimes. Joker participated in his crimes, allowed himself to get arrested, somehow managed to transport bombs on heavily guarded ships, kept groups of psychos he broke out of Arkham in check(Jigsaw could not do the same with one disturbed girl), and still managed to not get caught until Batman himself found him, and in the end he still managed to achieve his real goal, proving that under the right circumstances, anyone can become a murderer like him. He concealed himself from an entire city, and simultaneously terrorized it. Joker's schemes are first rate, Jigsaw, though very intelligent, does not compare.Batman prepared and built the sonar system to find him and planned it all out...All Morgan Freeman did was tell him where he was using Batman's plan.
I mean, technically, a bunch of police officers "found" Jigsaw, they just were to stupid to avoid his traps inside the house.
You can't say Jigsaw is any less intelligent than the Joker just because his schemes were more grand in scale. Jigsaws ambitions were not the same as the Joker. Jigsaw was never close to being caught. He anticipated everything, just like the Joker. Jigsaws schemes unfolded exactly to plan after his death. That, is an impressive feat. Just like the Joker, Jigsaw relied on the human condition for most of his plans. I'm not belittling the Jokers accomplishments at all and comparatively they are definitely more grand but more elaborate? I don't think they were more elaborate at all. The Joker concealed himself from an entire city while still terrorizing it. We can say the same about Jigsaw. Jigsaw never wanted to spread mass fear and anarchy though. Jigsaws intentions were always very personal. I'm sure that if Jigsaw had made and released tapes of him torturing people and demanding that if something in particular didn't occur by a certain time more people would die, his renown would have reached Joker status. He never had these types of intentions though.
As for the gay sonar thing. Batman didn't create the technology. He may have had it customized for the sole purpose of finding the Joker but i will never agree that that was an impressive feat. It was an act of extreme desperation. Dude, i could have found the Joker, using that technology because you can find anyone using it.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxEven if they are just as elaborate, because the Joker's plans were far grander in scale, that makes them better. And you are using the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence argument, Jigsaw has not shown to have plans on the same grand or elaborate scale, so he is inferior. What he "could have" done is speculation.
You can't say Jigsaw is any less intelligent than the Joker just because his schemes were more grand in scale. Jigsaws ambitions were not the same as the Joker. Jigsaw was never close to being caught. He anticipated everything, just like the Joker. Jigsaws schemes unfolded exactly to plan after his death. That, is an impressive feat. Just like the Joker, Jigsaw relied on the human condition for most of his plans. I'm not belittling the Jokers accomplishments at all and comparatively they are definitely more grand but more elaborate? I don't think they were more elaborate at all. The Joker concealed himself from an entire city while still terrorizing it. We can say the same about Jigsaw. Jigsaw never wanted to spread mass fear and anarchy though. Jigsaws intentions were always very personal. I'm sure that if Jigsaw had made and released tapes of him torturing people and demanding that if something in particular didn't occur by a certain time more people would die, his renown would have reached Joker status. He never had these types of intentions though.As for the gay sonar thing. Batman didn't create the technology. He may have had it customized for the sole purpose of finding the Joker but i will never agree that that was an impressive feat. It was an act of extreme desperation. Dude, i could have found the Joker, using that technology because you can find anyone using it.
You could have customized advanced sonar technology to the point where he can see virtually everything in the city and applied it to gain an upper hand in battle while locating a madman? That's pretty damn impressive dude.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Jigsaw was always on the run and never revealed anything about himself, and limited himself to kidnapping small groups of people at a time at best for his crimes. Joker participated in his crimes, allowed himself to get arrested, somehow managed to transport bombs on heavily guarded ships, kept groups of psychos he broke out of Arkham in check(Jigsaw could not do the same with one disturbed girl), and still managed to not get caught until Batman himself found him, and in the end he still managed to achieve his real goal, proving that under the right circumstances, anyone can become a murderer like him. He concealed himself from an entire city, and simultaneously terrorized it. Joker's schemes are first rate, Jigsaw, though very intelligent, does not compare.Batman prepared and built the sonar system to find him and planned it all out...All Morgan Freeman did was tell him where he was using Batman's plan.
I mean, technically, a bunch of police officers "found" Jigsaw, they just were to stupid to avoid his traps inside the house.
The cops finding jiggy was an elaborate entrapment all planned by jigsaw. thats pretty intelligent