Re: Women and Marriage; is it for Love or Money?
Originally posted by Stoic
I've sat back and listened to many women speak about what is important to them in a relationship, and heard various things, so I wanted some feedback on a broader scale.What is more important for women in a relationship? Money or Love?
Can a women love, and accept being married to a poor man, with the possibility of raising their social status with hard work, or is the temptation of finding a man with the proverbial silver spoon too great?
I've heard and read many things over the years on this. Like women marry mainly for interest, money/security/stability; a free ride, while guys marry for love. You are, afterall, most likely to see a drop dead gorgeous woman be with or be married to a short, old, fat, bald guy with some money who's an undesirable assh*le, than a guy whom looks like a supermodel with a good personality whom doesn't have much money.
I've also heard that currently almost 60% of marriages fail or end up in divorce with the top reason being finances with 85% of divorce initiators being women.
As an aside, and personally, I say marriage is unnatural. It's a human-made social construct. And as i've always said, anything that is unnatural is bad for the body and the mind. Unnaturalness doesn't sit well with human nature yet we fight nature, fit into strict rules our brains don't recognize and you get the rates and results we get while still continuing to be ignorant but "continuing the fight" which is why their is struggle.
But to get back, I always wondered why is it that a lot of women absolutely hate it when a guy talks prenuptuals with their excuse being that even thinking about that means that you're already thinking about divorce. Which is dumb. I'd want a prenup just incase we get divorced. Not cause I know that we're gonna get divorced. But they're not mad at that really. They're mad with the fact that you're not nieve and that they won't be able to get any of your money if it comes down to it. That and/or the very fact that you're thinking about not giving them any free money crosses your mind...They absolutely abhor that idea.
Re: Re: Women and Marriage; is it for Love or Money?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But to get back, I always wondered why is it that a lot of women absolutely hate it when a guy talks prenuptuals with their excuse being that even thinking about that means that you're already thinking about divorce. Which is dumb. I'd want a prenup just incase we get divorced. Not cause I know that we're gonna get divorced. But they're not mad at that really. They're mad with the fact that you're not nieve and that they won't be able to get any of your money if it comes down to it. That and/or the very fact that you're thinking about not giving them any free money crosses your mind...They absolutely abhor that idea.
Prenups are unfair in a lot of marriages since women are the one's expected to take time off of work when they have children. They become dependent on their husbands.
Originally posted by cococryspies
Prenups are unfair in a lot of marriages since women are the one's expected to take time off of work when they have children. They become dependent on their husbands.
That is not entirely true, many men are the homemakers, and many women are the bread winners. I have a friend that cares for his children 5 days per week and his ex wife gets the children on weekends.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I've heard and read many things over the years on this. Like women marry mainly for interest, money/security/stability; a free ride, while guys marry for love. You are, afterall, most likely to see a drop dead gorgeous woman be with or be married to a short, old, fat, bald guy with some money who's an undesirable assh*le, than a guy whom looks like a supermodel with a good personality whom doesn't have much money.I've also heard that currently almost 60% of marriages fail or end up in divorce with the top reason being finances with 85% of divorce initiators being women.
As an aside, and personally, I say marriage is unnatural. It's a human-made social construct. And as i've always said, anything that is unnatural is bad for the body and the mind. Unnaturalness doesn't sit well with human nature yet we fight nature, fit into strict rules our brains don't recognize and you get the rates and results we get while still continuing to be ignorant but "continuing the fight" which is why their is struggle.
But to get back, I always wondered why is it that a lot of women absolutely hate it when a guy talks prenuptuals with their excuse being that even thinking about that means that you're already thinking about divorce. Which is dumb. I'd want a prenup just incase we get divorced. Not cause I know that we're gonna get divorced. But they're not mad at that really. They're mad with the fact that you're not nieve and that they won't be able to get any of your money if it comes down to it. That and/or the very fact that you're thinking about not giving them any free money crosses your mind...They absolutely abhor that idea.
Shocking but true.
i had been seeing a woman for about a yr, spend a lot of time talking doing thinks together had a lot in common. She found me attractive (which i am). as much as we had in common she chose another man who was short fat unattractive and was one rank higher then me in the military service, was also still married.. he was known in my Nco circle as a lazy fat drunk.
one of my fellow marines informed me that the female had been seeing him which made me very upset.I had decided to stop seeing her in light of this new information, after a month she decided to confront me. I had told her i had found out about her and the other person which is why i had ceased speaking to her. when i asked her why she had chosen him over me she had no response, she was aware of his marriage and children his alcoholism and violent behavior and was considered joke in the military, who was 1 incident away from being kicked out of the marine corps.
she new all this and still chose him over me.. i was very upset that she couldnt reply why she did it, i already new the answer i was already aware that his family own real state agencies..
well after our discussion i figured i was done with putting up with her and the marine, I informed the marine to pack his bags and get out of my barracks and if i saw him again i would report his adultery.. the marine was used to doing what ever he wanted because he felt he was entitled to everything.. well as i expected he tried to cover up his recent behavior and once he felt safe from reprisal came back to my barracks, not knowing that it was a fellow marine who had informed me about his behavior and had been confirmed by the female. he decided to confront me and inform me that i couldnt prove anything and that his rank kept him from being accused by a lower ranking Nco without any proof..
As a Marine i am sure you are all aware of the proper response to such a challenge, an upfront to my honor not just by them cheating on me behind my back, but to say i would be called a liar gave me the opportunity to beat him down and regain my honor. he had brought his friends and the female to back him up in case things escalated, which he had to be aware of since he had come looking for me.
any ways to end the story, i knocked out both of his friends with the 1st punch. punked him because he lost the will to fight me. i felt cheated by him in that i couldnt hit him, because he was apologizing to me.. his friends tried to report the incident that i assaulted them, and hoped to get me charge and sent to the brigg. realizing that other marines had witness the incident and overheard the argument he refused to admitt to the incident.
i ended up having to go into a room with a bunch of officers and explain my actions.. all the higher ups were aware of the other marines and their reputation and they also looked at my record as well as my reputation, they couldnt understand my sudden change of behavior. i had informed them of the circumstances that led to the confrontation..
everyone decided to drop my charges due to the fact, that i had told the marine to stay away from the barrack and it was clear he had come looking for a confrontation. i was informed they would punish all involved and in the marines punishment can be harsh for certain behavior.
so the marine and the WM/female ceased seeing each other in preparation for there investigation in adultery.. she decided to marry another marine to distance her self. she chose another rich person who was one of the ones i had beaten up.. so in conclusion women will chose money over love seeing as she seemed to dismiss their inexcusable behavior so long as they have money and will risk dishonor and emotional abuse of others so long as she is getting paid..
more effectively? i lived righteously just to be shitted on followed the rules change my life style and behavior.. the woman was a giant lie sweet innocent good upbringing from a small town..
you could never tell she was money hungry this from a guy who was raised in a city of sin who is used to making 5 grand in less then an hour at a casino playing cards.. going to strip clubs having financially secured friends and family..
i lied cheated and stole and one day i decided to change my life and give up all my possessions, and live my life by honor courage commitment in the military service. just to find out it is worse then the life i lived because at least i was honest with ppl with the type of person i was.. i stayed away from ppl and ppl stayed away from me ppl understood who and what you were.. you dont step on ppls toes or cross the line..i stay away from bikers and there women, bikers stay away from me and my women.. mutual respect and fear of the persons we are... we dont hide are true faces...
in the military certain ppl dont seem to realize they are prey or think they are hunters and cross the line to what amounts to disrespect.. i am not talking about committing violent crimes against the person for there action, but it seems that the mouse nips at the lion not realizing the inherent danger.
any ways the only thing i learned was ppl will confuse your kindness with weakness and i have never been weak till that moment. i realized i dont like being weak and went back to my old attitude of pure punishment and no second chances in my personal life as well as my military life you cross the line no talk no excuses just punishment...
sad part i was known as a fare Nco who was understanding and did right by his people... regardless of the person i once was..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i realized i dont like being weak and went back to my old attitude of pure punishment and no second chances in my personal life as well as my military life you cross the line no talk no excuses just punishment...
That's the way I was when dating. No second chances. There's far to many women out there to even need to forgive and forget in the beginning of a relationship. Besides, it saves heartache in the long run anyway.
I did read your story solely for the entertainment. Too bad on that. Women aren't looking for a suger daddy...and I'd say that most don't even give that any thought when it comes to relationships. There's plenty out there for you.