Dr. Strange vs Odin

Originally posted by long pig
In everyone of those books Strange wasn't at full power. He was either not yet Sorcerer Supreme, stripped by the AO or abandoned by the vishanti or lost artifacts. full power Strange beats Set. 30 seconds of prep and Strange beats Odin.

Dude you are 100% wrong. He wasn't stripped of anything. It even made it clear in the Atlantis Attacks storyline later that WHEN Strange lost his artifacts the spell he used to banish Set (by tapping into the Cosmic Cube too) was weakened.

He HAD his artifacts AND the power of a cosmic cube backed by the wills of the Thing, Spiderman and the Scarlett Witch.

Originally posted by SasuOna
zopzop is talking about the serpent crown which is what it was noted to be in the storyline. All the serpent crown's in the multiverse were present in that storyline so that Set could manifest in the physical world.

Strange made a comment that his magics couldn't effect the metal shell(because his physical body had a serpent crown on) of the crowns surrounding set not set's actual body which you should understand since it was Strange who exorcised his essence at the end of the same story.

The only thing they used a cosmic cube to do in that storyline was destroy all the serpent crown's they still needed to get rid of Set's essence which was still in the physical realm.

So yeah Set is shit and Strange could have stomped him if not for the PIS of his physical body already being under Set's influence.

Strange powerless before the Crown and about to get owned :

The four of them using the Cosmic Cube to hold Set off while Strange casts his spell :

Admitting the Cube was the key to victory and suggesting they used up all it's power in the process :

Now zopzop is making stuff up now the fact that your basically posting a scan of the serpent crown attacking Strange and failing to hurt him in any significant way is even more of a joke.

No where in those scan does it say they are using the cosmic cubes power to banish set? Strange is using a spell to exorcise Set while the cosmic cube is protecting them so they won't be possessed by set.

The next page they state that the cube was taxed due to overuse and subsequently destroyed. They used the cube once to destroy Set's body and again to protect their minds from being possessed by set.

You would think that if the cosmic cube could banish set they would have done that since on the page before it was able to destroy his body.

The events from Marvel Team-up Annual mentioned above were retold in the Atlantis Attacks backstories by Uatu and Gaea :

Strange powerless before the Crown and about to be enslaved by it :

Strange drawing upon the power of the Cube to cast his exorcism spell :

He needed his artifacts AND the power of the Cube to banish Set. Strange will get stomped by Odin whose is more powerful than Set.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Now zopzop is making stuff up now

No where in those scan does it say they are using the cosmic cubes power to banish set? Strange is using a spell to exorcise Set while the cosmic cube is protecting them so they won't be possessed by set.

The next page they state that the cube was taxed due to overuse and subsequently destroyed. They used the cube once to destroy Set's body and again to protect their minds from being possessed by set.

You would think that if the cosmic cube could banish set they would have done that since on the page before it was able to destroy his body.

They didn't destroy Set's body you illiterate. They destroyed the gigantic Serpent Crown.

The fact that it took the Cube AND Strange backed by the power of his artifacts to merely banish Set tells you all you need to know. Strange has no chance vs Odin.

How about the time Full-Power Strange was easily defeated by Dracula?

Originally posted by King Kandy
How about the time Full-Power Strange was easily defeated by Dracula?

Thank you King Kandy. Strange has no chance here.

Maybe you should read the whole issue again so you can understand what actually happened.

Once again you are the only person saying that is Set.
I said from the start that this was the serpent crown which you ignored as I recall you were saying this was actually Set they were fighting when you initially brought this up.

When I explained the premise of the story and the bits you are leaving out to try and play up what happened in the story you again fall back to untruths after you just posted what happened in the story.

It was even explained that while putting on the serpent crown it is drawing away your energy to summon set in this storyline(one of his acolytes mentioned we now give set what he gave us as they took of all the crowns) which would subsequently make the Serpent crown body immune to those powers that it had already absorbed. Strange's coporeal body had on the crown while he was in his astral form before all this even happened.

So how your getting the BS that Strange can't regularly hurt Set or the serpent crown's body is you relying on PIS.

LOL at Strange losing to Dracula if you actually read that issue all we saw of there fight was Dracula biting Strange at the beginning of an issue but then Dracula ends up losing to vampire Strange so moot point is moot.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Maybe you should read the whole issue again so you can understand what actually happened.

Once again you are the only person saying that is Set.
I said from the start that this was the serpent crown which you ignored as I recall you were saying this was actually Set they were fighting when you initially brought this up.

When I explained the premise of the story and the bits you are leaving out to try and play up what happened in the story you again fall back to untruths after you just posted what happened in the story.

It was even explained that while putting on the serpent crown it is drawing away your energy to summon set in this storyline(one of his acolytes mentioned we now give set what he gave us as they took of all the crowns) which would subsequently make the Serpent crown body immune to those powers that it had already absorbed. Strange's coporeal body had on the crown while he was in his astral form before all this even happened.

So how your getting the BS that Strange can't regularly hurt Set or the serpent crown's body is you relying on PIS.

LOL at Strange losing to Dracula if you actually read that issue all we saw of there fight was Dracula biting Strange at the beginning of an issue but then Dracula ends up losing to vampire Strange so moot point is moot.

WOW, this whole post is full of fail. Strange was POWERLESS against the Serpent Crown which is merely a vessel of Set's power. He was no match for the Crown let alone the Creator of the Crown. If it wasn't for the Cube (which apparently burnt itself out dealing with Set) they would have all been dead. It's mentioned on the scans I provided; Both in the original Marvel Team-up story AND in the retelling in Atlantis Attacks.

How about you provide scans disputing these facts instead of running your mouth?

Originally posted by zopzop
WOW, this whole post is full of fail. Strange was POWERLESS against the Serpent Crown which is merely a vessel of Set's power. He was no match for the Crown let alone the Creator of the Crown. If it wasn't for the Cube (which apparently burnt itself out dealing with Set) they would have all been dead. It's mentioned on the scans I provided; Both in the original Marvel Team-up story AND in the retelling in Atlantis Attacks.

How about you provide scans disputing these facts instead of running your mouth?

Originally posted by Uriel005
So your saying that Set would own In-betweener.

I'm saying every time Set has fought Strange, Strange either lost or needed massive outside help in order to deal with him.

This isn't even disputable.

Did Strange ever lose to Set? I'm still looking for the issue where you said hes lost Iv'e yet to find it.

Strange had no problem beating Sliguth(who is supposed to be Set's son) while shuma was lending him power or any of the eldrich beings that Shuma Gorath was lending his power to before this storyline.

So the fact that your argument hinges on a storyline thats basis is PIS and even more hilarious has been retconned from the original on panel showing is stupid.

Shuma>>>>>>>>>Set by a great deal and Strange beat him while he was trying to manifest himself in the Ancient One similarly to how Set was manifesting in this issue without a cosmic cube but all of a sudden that would be invalidated by by the fact that the Serpent Crown was made immune to Strange's powers? Nah I actually read Dr Strange to know better then to think something so stupid would matter against an unrestricted Strange.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Did Strange ever lose to Set? I'm still looking for the issue where you said hes lost Iv'e yet to find it.

Strange had no problem beating Sliguth(who is supposed to be Set's son) while shuma was lending him power or any of the eldrich beings that Shuma Gorath was lending his power to before this storyline.

So the fact that your argument hinges on a storyline thats basis is PIS and even more hilarious has been retconned from the original on panel showing is stupid.

Shuma>>>>>>>>>Set by a great deal and Strange beat him while he was trying to manifest himself in the Ancient One similarly to how Set was manifesting in this issue without a cosmic cube but all of a sudden that would be invalidated by by the fact that the Serpent Crown was made immune to Strange's powers? Nah I actually read Dr Strange to know better then to think something so stupid would matter against an unrestricted Strange.

My slow witted friend. Strange has never beaten Set and was about to die twice against him if someone didn't pull his fat out of the fire. This was shown on panel not once but twice. It was stated by Strange himself AND the narrator.

Shuma >>>>>Set? What Gods, demon lords or other abstracts has Shuma fought? Every time Strange and Shuma fought, Shuma lost. Strange never beat Set, EVER.

If we totally exclude Dr. Strange's low showings/average showings, then yeah, he may have a shot at taking on Odin. Problem is, he has too many mediocre/low showings to make me think Odin wouldn't just stomp here.

I don't consider low showings but only high ones (except PIS high ones) since characters are at full capacity and are fighting at their best ability
AS SHOWN BEFORE.

Thus Strange wins.

Strange doesn't take the majority. I don't understand how anyone who has read his comics can believe he can unless he has some time to prepare, bring out artifacts etc.

And for the record, Strange has a pretty sizable amount lot of low/mediocre showings to just have them be discounted. Hell, Bendis alone has probably written enough to balance off all of his higher end feats.

It doesn't really help that Odin is also an extremely talented sorcerer along with having immense power reserves.

Originally posted by batdude123
If we totally exclude Dr. Strange's low showings/average showings, then yeah, he may have a shot at taking on Odin. Problem is, he has too many mediocre/low showings to make me think Odin wouldn't just stomp here.

Odin's got a few low showings as well like getting eaten by a f'in dog and getting enslaved by a bunch of over-grown ants.

Odin's over-rated.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude you are 100% wrong. He wasn't stripped of anything. It even made it clear in the Atlantis Attacks storyline later that WHEN Strange lost his artifacts the spell he used to banish Set (by tapping into the Cosmic Cube too) was weakened.

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So stupid. They DID go into Set's own dimension once, he that's what you're talking about. He's omnipotent in it, so of course anyone would have a hard time with a SF in thier own realm. This fight doesn't happen in asgard. So it's irrelevant. I hate liars. Especially liars with a smart mouth. Anyway, according to Strange himself, as long as he is full powered there are no vampires. So, if you have a feat and don't know if it was full powered Strange, ask yourself if Vampires existed at the time the feat took place. If so, he's not at full power.

I agree Strange can't beat Odin. But if you're saying Odin stomps him, you're wrong. And if you don't think Doc can beat Odin with prep, you're ****ing crazy.