Originally posted by Classic NESActually, he's a character, and has been depicted on panel. The Kirby character even suggested that it was 'how they percieved him', and it wasn't an insult that he was percieved as a short human, because he wanted his creations to see the 'humanity in god'.
Not in the context I was reffering too. TOAA is the marvel staff and since they cannot skidoo into the actual comic. . .they draw themselves in.
He's no more or less an avatar of a writer, than say Galactus, or Batman, just on a different scale.
Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, he's a character, and has been depicted on panel. The Kirby character even suggested that it was 'how they percieved him', and it wasn't an insult that he was percieved as a short human, because he wanted his creations to see the 'humanity in god'He's no more or less an avatar of a writer, than say Galactus, or Batman, just on a different scale.
That isn't my point, I'm not just talking about the kirby character avatar. I'm talking about what TOAA is in actuality. It is represented by the avatar, but it's position is Marvel staff. Of course characters represent marvel, but I'm talking about a representation from the perspective of a writer/artist. Something a character like Batman, Superman or Spider man cannot give unless they have them cross the fourth wall. Representing the writer and actually being a writer in comic form is two different things.
Originally posted by Classic NESAnd I'm talking about- it's a character, and all characters on a page are avatars of their writers.
That isn't my point, I'm not just talking about the kirby character avatar. I'm talking about what TOAA is in actuality. It is represented by the avatar, but it's position is Marvel staff. Of course characters represent marvel, but I'm talking about a representation from the perspective of a writer/artist. Something a character like Batman, Superman or Spider man cannot give unless they have them cross the fourth wall. Representing the writer and actually being a writer in comic form is two different things.
Originally posted by Juntai
And I'm talking about- it's a character, and all characters on a page are avatars of their writers.
It's represented by a character, but the difference is that it doesn't have the perspective of a character. It knows that all the events in the Marvel U are just stories while the average character like Spidey, Thor or Hulk does not. TOAA is not at the mercy of plot, because it creates plot. . .the characters do not. Big difference mane.
Originally posted by Classic NESSo Mxy is like TOAA to you? He knows the plots, and creates plots all the time.
It's represented by a character, but the difference is that it doesn't have the perspective of a character. It knows that all the events in the Marvel U are just stories while the average character like Spidey, Thor or Hulk does not. TOAA is not at the mercy of plot, because it creates plot. . .the characters do not. Big difference mane.
Originally posted by Juntai
So Mxy is like TOAA to you? He knows the plots, and creates plots all the time.
If you read what I said, you notice I mention that characters can become aware of the plot and sometimes shape it. That's called crossing the fourth wall, but TOAA is already from past the fourth wall. Does Mxy come from their was well?
Originally posted by Classic NESMxy comes from imagination. The Fourth Wall doesn't exist to him, he knows the comic characters are comic characters.
If you read what I said, you notice I mention that characters can become aware of the plot and sometimes shape it. That's called crossing the fourth wall, but TOAA is already from past the fourth wall. Does Mxy come from their was well?
Originally posted by Juntai
Mxy comes from imagination. The Fourth Wall doesn't exist to him, he knows the comic characters are comic characters.
Originally posted by Juntai
I don't buy the whole it's a writer thing, it's a character, just like all the rest of them.
No different than the Presence or The Source, or Man of Miracles.
Then TOAA isn't like MXY since it is an actual entity. He's just what the marvel staff names it's self in relation to the stories. Mxy is still victim of the plot that TOAA creates. Even if he effects it or is aware of this, it's because the TOAA of DC wants it to happen.