Cyclops vs Omega Red

Originally posted by Starscream M
Logan may follow Cyke, but that in no way means Cyke is necessarily better tactically...Logan understands team dynamics and knows that him supporting Cyke is important for team morale

but Logan has received far more training and been in far more circumstances where his tactical abilities have been honed

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Emma is a manipulative -itch and would rather play the puppet master behind the scenes where she could get far more accomplished and 'allow' Scott the faux-leadership role. This way Emma gets what she wants and doesn't have to stand the heat for her decisions. Scott's her fall guy.

logan still defers to scott. scott makes team decisions, like he did on the breakworld and during messiah complex. if logan had any problems, he would have said so, but he didn't.

training is one thing, but scott is naturally gifted. 'tactical genius' nick fury said so. it's as much god given talent as anything else...

emma loves scott. there's no way in hell she'd use him as a puppet unless she herself was under some kind of persuasuion...

Originally posted by Raoul

emma loves scott. there's no way in hell she'd use him as a puppet unless she herself was under some kind of persuasuion...

boy you have no experience with women do you...jk😛

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scott has a natural talent for kissing ass to authority and being straighter than a ruler...if that qualifies for 'tactical genius' then I guess he is 🙄

Originally posted by Starscream M
boy you have no experience with women do you...jk😛

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scott has a natural talent for kissing ass to authority and being straighter than a ruler...if that qualifies for 'tactical genius' then I guess he is 🙄

any woman who loves scott the way emma does would never misuse him like that...

kissing ass? he's the one who threw xavier out of the school...

Originally posted by Raoul
any woman who loves scott the way emma does would never misuse him like that...

kissing ass? he's the one who threw xavier out of the school...

Originally posted by Starscream M
eh...tbh I don't follow xmen so I don't know if Scott has reached an emo stage or not (a la toby maguire in Spiderman 3) but from what I knew of him he always seemed to be the teacher's pet type

he was picked to be the leader. people say he was teacher's pet, but he was as confident as xavier was in their mission, so they would have agreed on lots of things.

scott is #1 now. no xavier. emma defers to him. logan defers to him. scott is basically responsible for making sure mutants dont die out...

Originally posted by Starscream M
eh...tbh I don't follow xmen so I don't know if Scott has reached an emo stage or not (a la toby maguire in Spiderman 3) but from what I knew of him he always seemed to be the teacher's pet type

Thats what Wolverine used to say in order to piss him off but hes not the leader for nothing. Hell when he was leading X-factor there was not Prof X to arse kiss then.

Wolverine can't handle the pressure of leading a team because he hates making decisions that will put others in the line of fire. What you end up with is a much more subdued Wolverine who second guesses himself and underperformed across the board. As strange as it sounds, what it comes down to is basically Wolverine lacks the confidence to be an affective team leader... which is the opposite of the vibe he gives off when running solo or fallowing orders. The reason for this is actually being explained rather well by Way (I can't believe I just said that) and Carry in the Origins / Legacy Crossover, Wolverine (and Pro. X for that matter) sees himself first and foremost as a weapon, and a weapon is nothing unless someone is using it. I imagine he is more than capable of being a better leader / tactician that Cyclops, but CIS prevents it from happening. Just another odd character trait to add to the dichotomy that is Wolverine.

In short Cyclops > Wolverine in tactics and leadership
*shrug*

Red wins.

In potential Rhino could be a better leader than Cyclops but CIS gets in the way. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Starscream M
eh...tbh I don't follow xmen so I don't know if Scott has reached an emo stage or not (a la toby maguire in Spiderman 3) but from what I knew of him he always seemed to be the teacher's pet type

Then why in the F*CK do you start arguments about which you have no clue? facepalm

Subconsciously, you must want to be wrong all the time...

Originally posted by Starscream M
eh...tbh I don't follow xmen so I don't know if Scott has reached an emo stage or not (a la toby maguire in Spiderman 3) but from what I knew of him he always seemed to be the teacher's pet type

facepalm

* Cyke is no teacher's pet, nor an a$$ kisser... initially, Scott did not want to be the field leader, but Xavier saw what Scott is capable of and chose him...

* Logan might be a good leader but he is no better than Cyke... Cyke's leadership is not on Logan's level... Emma is also a good leader but is still subjected to Cyke proving that Cyke is still the one in charge...

* with decent distance, Cyke wins every single time... factors: speed of optic blast, thought-controlled visor, Cyke's accuracy & spatial awareness... at close range, if Omega Red's death aura does not KO Cyke immediately, i see no problem unleashing an optic blast at point blank range...

Originally posted by batdude123
Then why in the F*CK do you start arguments about which you have no clue? facepalm

Subconsciously, you must [b]want to be wrong all the time... [/B]

Omega Red.

Originally posted by Raoul
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emma loves scott. there's no way in hell she'd use him as a puppet unless she herself was under some kind of persuasuion...

If Emma was a better tactician, why would she admire his tactical prowess. (Remember when Emma peeked into Scott's mind when they were in the Savage land) Scott's definitely tactically the best member of X-men.

I don't see how he can really lose this match if he has enough distance between him and Red. the death pheromones have a limited range.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
If Emma was a better tactician, why would she admire his tactical prowess. (Remember when Emma peeked into Scott's mind when they were in the Savage land) Scott's definitely tactically the best member of X-men.

exactly.

I love cyclops... He >>>3 wolverine in terms if tactical genius... In fact there was a comparison to captain America a while back...

However as far as putting down omega red... A guy who's armor could probably take a fill on blast from cyke... Cyke would have to go all out... And have at least 50 ft so that red can't touch him

Originally posted by batdude123
Then why in the F*CK do you start arguments about which you have no clue? facepalm

Subconsciously, you must [b]want to be wrong all the time... [/B]

.........scot loses period. For starters pherones would drop scot right away.......

Not to mention scot have hard time actaully hurt omega red.............and even if he was able to hurt red...........red would heal from it...........scot pritty much dies here..........

hell scot been dropped by red effortlessly.

scot being a better tactation then wolverine is debatable. Both have there moments and both are better in certain scenerios

Originally posted by Battlehammer
scot being a better tactation then wolverine is debatable. Both have there moments and both are better in certain scenerios

Even Wolverine stated that Scott is a better leader. Remember the epic lawn moment?

"Every now and then Summers. I'm reminded why you're still in charge."