League of Champions Week Eight: B-Dub/Smurph Vs. Digi

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Where we got caught up was that Smurph thought that delph's definition of a soul invalidated my use of them. It does not, since delph is saying by his definition of souls that he considers them part of "information" (experiences, memories, personality, etc.) and not a separate substance from those things.

I don't think Bada or V are revoting since their initial send-in, so the only one seeing my words should be our last judge Delph, who know all of this anyways. But I just thought I'd clarify.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Minion's scans use the word souls, but they also often use such terms as memory, instincts, etc. so we don't really know if Marvel is making a distinction between the two or treating them as one entity. Delph's ruling, then, is all we have to go off of.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My apologies for the heated debate, Smurph. It never should've reached the levels it did, for whatever reasons, and I'd like to extend my apologies for any of it that may have been my fault.

-V- wrote on Nov 23rd, 2008 02:26 PM:
For whatever reason Digi didn't manage to get some of his posts in on time to rebutt some of the responses that Smurph made, I think that despite the fact this was a very short match Smurph made one of the more convincing arguments against Minion and co. therefore my vote goes to BDUB/SMURPH.

Would it have been the same had circumstances outside of our control let the match be finished? Who knows.

Badabing wrote on Nov 23rd, 2008 02:39 PM:
First I want to say that my decision does not set any sort of precedent regarding Digi's team. In the past matches, Digi was able to back up his claims with doubts raised by his competitors.

B-Dub/Smurph brought enough doubt to to take away from Digi's team without any counters to back up his claims this time around.

I also have to believe in B-Dub/Smurph's plan for a planetary sized Nimrodbox since there was nothing to debunk the claim.

In short, team B-Dub/Smurph win this match due to their overwhelming mass, which wasn't countered, and a lack of rebuttal from Digi.

My vote: B-Dub/Smurph

Heh. Fair enough. Sorry if I misconstrued your words a bit Smurph. 'twas unintentional.

Though I'm not admitting to needing a separate souls-substance if indeed there is no distinction between the two. I was originally treating souls as separate from one's mind, yes. It was for clarity's sake more so than any on-panel evidence. But as I said, Marvel is ambiguous on the subject, so I cannot definitively claim that I need something other than memories/information/etc. I might, or I might not. Delph seems to think everything is fine with it. Other judges can form their own opinions, even if they differ from delph.

In any case, the judges can read through the match, the rulings, etc. and decide for themselves.

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Ah, and the votes are coming in. Yes, lack of rebuttals hurt. I expected as much. But there wasn't anything I could do, so I'll just regroup for the playoffs.

Ok, for my judgment, I want to clarify a couple things first:

- Digi's plan is 100% legal. I'm categorically stating that for future reference. Whether it will work as he states is open to interpretation. The legality is a non issue.

What struck me was the tactical mistakes on Digi's part in his initial plan. He stated he would use the Pym Particle Arrow to shrink B-Dub/Smurph's giant Nimrod amalgam, but he didn't account for the fact that the character he's facing starts out .5 km away and can erect force fields, so using a conventional projectile is a bit out of the question and would be a non factor, as would much of a direct physical assault, allowing Smurph/B-Dub to be able to grow very large (though perhaps not planetary in size, but I think perhaps the height of Tiamut wouldn't be out of the question).

At that point, it really becomes Minion Prime (I'm including the Marvel Powers) vs. the Giant NimLock, and I think that the versatility and firepower of Nimlock would win out over the raw power of Minion Prime in a protracted battle. Offensively, Minion Prime offers a lot of brute strength options, but those won't account for much against an opponent with defenses that could negate most physical assaults. I feel you need to mix in some high end energy projection into the Minion Prime mix. That's a missing piece to the puzzle.

And, on top of that, you Rickroll'd me. 👇

Judge's Vote: B-Dub & Smurph.

Frustrating to know I dealt with most stated objections in my edited-out posts. But alas, my first loss.

Congrats and such, guys. I hope to see you in the playoffs.