The Overseer Vs Classic Beyonder

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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by cloud102

IMO, God Vs God fights always end in a stalemate, IMO.


Basically, just that Beyonder's feat is untouchable.
Originally posted by cloud102

I don't see any real evidence that The Beyonder is more powerful than the Presence,

who used to be greater than an infinite amount of universes/megaverse.


It matters not to me who was more powerful between them,
but just to make your opinion more accurate,
Beyonder was (MillionS) of times more powerful than the trans-infinite Multiverse.

The prime Multiverse was not only and still is infinite, (1984-2008)
but according to Dr Strange, was a number greater than infinity even back then.

This really is madness,
because Beyonder created a reality (Beyond Realm) which he embodied
that was like an ocean,
while this infinite Marvelverse was nothing but a drop of water next to it.

Or as Jim Shooter also put it in his Marvel Age interview.
when Beyonder discovered the Marvelverse,
it was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek,
looked through his micro-scope discovered little paramecium (616)
swimming in a drop of water. (all of Marvel)

No wonder the character was retconned/depowered after Jim left,
Shooter went to far in the exaggeration.

cloud102 Senior Member

Yeah, this would probably end in another stalemate. The Overseers seemed untouchable. Seeing as nothing was beyond them. From the little arc they were in.

tjcoady Senior Member

Seriously, no one got my Fallout I joke?

No one's played the classic Fallouts?

Knowsbleed33 You know my name

How many appearances did the Overseer have and what are his feats?

I can find nothing on him.

cloud102 Senior Member

Yeah, they basically had no feats in just creating the Adjuicator, who was a Living Tribunal type character. Judging the Pre-Crisis Multiverse. From what I hear, they (each one of them) are equal to the Presence. Lived outside of creation and was their own creator?

Elrahprime created a DC heirarchy. And talks about the Overseers in this link:

http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-16514.html

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Could the Overseers be the "external forces" the Presence talked about in Lucifer #75?

cloud102 Senior Member

Uhhh, probably not. The Overseers exsisted Pre-Crisis and Lucifer is it's own thing.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

But the universes are linked - Vertigo even included references to Pre-Crisis stories

cloud102 Senior Member

True, but the Overseers aren't from the DCU Multiverse. They're in a more vast reality of their own.

guy222 With my gal

Did u find the issues they were in

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Could the Overseers be the "external forces" the Presence talked about in Lucifer #75?
No.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

I'm sure that when Mike Carey wrote the Lucifer finale, he had this obscure, undefined characters in mind.

cloud102 Senior Member

Lucifer is like the coolest cosmic/abstract known to comics. Easily.