Originally posted by The Great Galen
He loses because of circumstances in the story, so in essence he loses when he shoudln't which constitutes as jobbing. If he is portrayed accuratly on most occasions he should never lose in the manner he does in most comics.
Losing because of special circumstances is not jobbing. Apocalypse chose to weaken himself by draining TANKS of his own blood. He was awakened prematurely once as well. These are not incidents where he's jobbing, but examples of him choosing to fight when he's weakened.
I still don't see where this jobbing business is coming from though, the man beat down the x-men in under a minute. Even in the "blood of apocalypse" storyline they needed Pulse to FURTHER weaken him in order to stand a chance.
Originally posted by Nihilist
imo apoc's tp lvl would be when he had his original body,when he stalemated loki,high evolutionary, had the upper hand on ikaris and withstood black bolts whisper
Apocalypse was buffed when he withstood Black Bolt's scream.
PC karate kid was causing PC superboy pain.
So really, one swift punch and apoc should be down, I won't even get into the massive massive speed advantage he has over poccy. Sure, Apocalypse has the potential to be a beast, but he'll never reach a level where he can shrug off hits from someone who caused a PC kryptonian pain, it's just that simple. He can adjust his molecular structure all he wants. Wait..he can't, seeing as he won't have any time to even form a coherent thought before getting tagged.
Remember, even post crisis karate kid is fast enough to dodge heat vision and tear people apart that give supergirl trouble while dying, pc val was dodging speed force charged lightning for christs sake. He also broke inerton, which even PC superboy..you know the guy who tugs dozens of planets around casually? A feat so beyond apocalypse there isn't a mathematical percentage in existence that would show just how much more powerful he is than apoc.. Yeah, PC superboy needed the strength of insanity to break them.
Apoc is nice, but he's out of his league with PC val or really anybody that can make a pc kryptonian take pause.