Just like to point out that 1) DD is not evolving past Juggernaut's magical invulnerability. He's not killing Cain. 2) It takes time for DD to revive after death. Anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. 3) Ultron also compensates and adapts to attacks. And...no one is breaking adamantium short of abstract level.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Just like to point out that 1) DD is not evolving past Juggernaut's magical invulnerability. He's not killing Cain. 2) It takes time for DD to revive after death. Anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. 3) Ultron also compensates and adapts to attacks. And...no one is breaking adamantium short of abstract level.
I agree with everything that you said, except for the part about anything less than an abstract being doing serious harm to Ultrons body.
The Hulk crushed Ultrons body with a punch during the Secret Wars. Then again who can say how strong he was when he hit Ultron.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk crushed Ultrons body with a punch during the Secret Wars. Then again who can say how strong he was when he hit Ultron.
Ah, that's right. He cracked it, didn't he?
Latest versions of Ultron (in Conquest I think, and definitely in Mighty Avengers) showed the ability to adapt to attacks and power. Such as female Ultron calculating Sentry's strength and speed to surpass them. So, latest versions would be a very good match against DD IMO.
Originally posted by StoicHulk I believe made a dent, he never crushed Ultron's body.
I agree with everything that you said, except for the part about anything less than an abstract being doing serious harm to Ultrons body.The Hulk crushed Ultrons body with a punch during the Secret Wars. Then again who can say how strong he was when he hit Ultron.
The Hulk crushed Ultrons body with a punch during the Secret Wars. Then again who can say how strong he was when he hit Ultron. [/B]Hulk did damage primary adamantium but it was only a small crack (enough to allow that wasp-chick to slip through)
also Hulk never "crushed" ultron (probably another robot made of secondary adamantium or something. Ultron is made of real adamantium only and that stuff is virtualy indestructible)
Originally posted by StoicDD Rex was certiainly more powerful than DoS DD. And DD certainly comes back stronger than he previously was.... That's kind of his thing. Also, DD Rex had been scientifically altered by Luthor/Darkseid. He didn't resurrect 'naturally' - so that may have been what hindered his power.
and it is uncertain as to whether or not Doomsday comes back more powerful than he did in a previous life; for example Doomsday Rex was probably less powerful than DOS Doomsday.
Originally posted by EnyalusConsidering some of the things DD has adapted beyond [ie. Radiant's energy, Waverider's chronal energy, Darkseid's Omega powers, Orion's AF, a Guardian's powers, etc] I wouldn't say it's an impossibility for DD to overcome Juggy's invulnerability.
1) DD is not evolving past Juggernaut's magical invulnerability.
Originally posted by Galan007
Considering some of the things DD has adapted beyond [ie. Radiant's energy, Waverider's chronal energy, Darkseid's Omega powers, Orion's AF, a Guardian's powers, etc] I wouldn't say it's an impossibility for DD to overcome Juggy's invulnerability.
Nimrod did it and as far as I'm concerned Doomsday is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more "advanced"
Originally posted by Galan007
DD Rex was certiainly more powerful than DoS DD. And DD certainly comes back stronger than he previously was.... That's kind of his thing. Also, DD Rex had been scientifically altered by Luthor/Darkseid. He didn't resurrect 'naturally' - so that may have been what hindered his power.
I disagree totally. DD Rex was probably the weakest incarnation of DD, period. The dude's claws freakin' broke while punching Supes. And Supes was able to speedblitz him (appearing in like four different places while DD was standing still taking the punishment.) DOS DD had enough speed to be equal to or greater than Supes in that department. Now I know that from '93 to '01 Supes had gotten stronger and faster...but, 2x or more faster than before? I don't see it.
Moreover, he had his DNA spliced with Kryptonian DNA so that K-nite would slow him down. To me, DD Rex shouldn't even be considered a real, viable version of DD. He was pathetic.
Originally posted by Galan007 Considering some of the things DD has adapted beyond [ie. Radiant's energy, Waverider's chronal energy, Darkseid's Omega powers, Orion's AF, a Guardian's powers, etc] I wouldn't say it's an impossibility for DD to overcome Juggy's invulnerability.
Those are all, essentially, energy-based attacks. And with the Guardian's power thing, he had a GL ring to help him out. Magic, especially Juggernaut's kind of magic, is something which IMO is completely different from what he's faced.
Originally posted by EnyalusI disagree.
DD Rex was probably the weakest incarnation of DD, period.
Originally posted by EnyalusHaving a ring had nothing to do with DD evolving beyond the Guardian's ability to harm him, that I recall.
And with the Guardian's power thing, he had a GL ring to help him out.
Originally posted by EnyalusA matter of perspective. IMO, DD could very well evolve to that degree (not that he'd need to, in order to beat Juggy.)
Magic, especially Juggernaut's kind of magic, is something which IMO is completely different from what he's faced.
Originally posted by EnyalusIt's close, don't get me wrong, but I'd place DD Rex above DoS DD, personally.
DOS DD is the weakest in your opinion? Or...is there a different one you have in mind?
Originally posted by EnyalusInitially, I agree. However, if the battle went on I could see DD potentially cancelling out Juggy's power. IMO it's not impossible for this to happen.
I think DD could beat Juggy. I just don't see him killing Juggy.