Originally posted by Knowsbleed33ok ok ok whatever
Goodness.It said if he was left unchecked he would become God. God in the same way Thanos was "God" with the IG.
LT>IG and MJJ.
but theres also this part just before the fury vs MJJ616 fight
it says MJJ is god 😖 (then it says he makes friends easily and then he creates a few friends)
anyway
explain this : if MJJ was omniversal threat then why didn't living tribunal intervene ? (thats his job right?)
explanatian simple : LT is below MJJ (unless you got other explanation ) 😕
Originally posted by SoulDevourerEhh, being omniscient LT knew Fury would ultimately end MJJ's rampage - thus, there was no reason for him to get involved?
explanatian simple : LT is below MJJ (unless you got other explanation ) 😕
Originally posted by Galan007k i didnt think of that 🙂
Ehh, being omniscient LT knew Fury would ultimately end MJJ's rampage - thus, there was no reason for him to get involved?
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok ok ok whateverbut theres also this part just before the fury vs MJJ616 fight
it says MJJ [b]is
god 😖 (then it says he makes friends easily and then he creates a few friends)[/B]
You mean when Jaspers says he created everything? The birds and the bees, the lion and the lamb and what not?
He was referring to everything within his warp. Yeah, he's God within his warp.
anywayexplain this : if MJJ was omniversal threat then [b]why didn't living tribunal intervene
? (thats his job right?)explanatian simple : LT is below MJJ (unless you got other explanation ) 😕 [/B]
Goodness. People use this arguement with HoM Wanda.
This was all explained back during the Infinity Gauntlet saga. The LT intervenes only when you try and mess with the natural order. Thanos sought only to become God of the 616 Universe i.e. he wanted to become Eternity. LT stated that since Thanos sought only to replace their importance in the Universe with his own, no crime had been commited. Survival of the fittest, strong prey upon the weak and so on.
The same arguement can be made as to why the LT didn't step in with MJJ since all MJJ did was replace Eternity with himself.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33yeah but if MJJ was gonna **** up the omniverse that's also messin with the natural order right ? 🤨
Goodness. People use this arguement with HoM Wanda.This was all explained back during the Infinity Gauntlet saga. The LT intervenes only when you try and mess with the natural order. Thanos sought only to become God of the 616 Universe i.e. he wanted to become Eternity. LT stated that since Thanos sought only to replace their importance in the Universe with his own, no crime had been commited. Survival of the fittest, strong prey upon the weak and so on.
The same arguement can be made as to why the LT didn't step in with MJJ since all MJJ did was replace Eternity with himself.
I mean he intervenes when that chick wants to rule the omniverse with the starbrand
and he intervenes when Adam Warlock gets the IG
he says that Warlock is insane (but MJJ is also insane he's mad!!!)
Established omnipotence, omnipotence by your definition that is, is what I'm looking for. Which you have and will be unable to provide.And there are numerous interpretations of the term omnipotence, on wikipedia (omnipotence paradox) for instance it's divided into five categories.
There are various definitions in dictionaries and alike, but all pretty vague and easy to shape so it would apply to the definition you're seeking.
As for respecting the acknowledgments in the various fictions. Should we respect it in the same sense as we respect that Vegeto was unmatched in the Dragonball universe--and therefore unmatched in all other fictional universes as well? Because that is essentially what you are implying.
And as I stated above, that is a no limits fallacy.
If you believe, that my definition of omnipotence extends to characters such as Vegito. Then there is nothing I can do for you, since you are misinterpreting my definition.
Astner is fine as you can see by my username, but I don't any relevance what so ever for it to be brought up in the argument.
Again, any theory, hypothesis or coherent idea even are open for questions and debate. I asked your to back up your claim and you failed to do so.
Spawn #166
The comic acknowledges, Man of Miracles to be the mother of all creation.
I see, and I'm sure it's only a few that share that definition--keep that in mind.I am however curious of various points in your suggested idea.
You said that it has to be a creator, and in a sense that it true--it has to be the cause of everything, and creation is a part of that--however it also means that it's a destroyer, or more encompassing, the cause of all actions.
As for omniscience--for an omnipotent to have a consciousness would be to limit the omnipotent. A with all knowledge and power would be far more inefficient than the quantum principle for instance.
"The definitive all powerful" was also an interesting choose of words. We can think beyond all that is. Everything, or "All", is within the framework of logic. With imagination, and (or with-) mathematical formulas you can however extend the eleventh dimension in M-theory and go beyond the omniverse--it's not logical but it is possible. So if you limit your supposed omnipotent to "All that is", instead of "All that is and isn't" (even that wouldn't be enough) I can easily imagine something beyond that.
And by that your omnipotent would in my mind be restricted, hence surpassable.
And this is when I stop replying to any of your posts. Thank you for taking your time, to greet us with your definition of omnipotence.
But really I could care less, how you tie in fiction, philosophy, and personal belief.
I never denied that he wore the omnipotent title. Simply that he, when compared to a selected few others doesn't measure up. There are so many outrageous statements in the world of fiction, both by authors and characters--that they shouldn't be taken as seriously. And even if there weren't, the possibility of them alone should be taken under consideration. The Mother from Image comics are, as far as we know it, the creator of a type-one multiverse (basically a cluster of an infinite amount of time-lines). The Man of Miracles is the walking avatar of the Mother--just like Jesus.And that's all that the Mother is to us debaters, an entity with power to create a type-one multiverse. Because that is what the Mother has done, in a debate I can use these pieces of evidence. And would, by that be defeated by the likes of World's funnest Mr. Mxyzptlk.
What you are trying to do is use a term which has been to illustrate the Mother, and then apply your definition to it. The error in this lies in the suggestions that it might be hyperbole, or that the authors didn't share your definition.
And again, maybe you're right. Maybe the authors shared your definition and meant exactly what you were trying to tell. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a fallacious argument, as it lacks any kind of evidence--and is therefore not a reasonable way to debate.
Ah perfect. Well Spawn Bible, #2 will be released shortly. It will update all the entries up to 2008, plus various one shots, etc…If its not plainly obvious that MoM is/isn’t its Omnipotent Entity. Then, hopefully it will be clarified, or add more to your confusion.
El Sexican - Id
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder was (not anymore) the be all end all Omnipotent GOD of the Beyond Realm.
Then Beyonder entered the Marvelverse,
and became the Supreme power of that Actuality,
with absolute control over all reality, heck, his thoughts were reality.MoM doesn't take jack, at best, for the sake of argument, MoM stalemates.
FACT: Beyonder was the most powerful being ever to exist in the Marvel Universe.
That's actually a literal quote from classic Beyonder's 1985 bio.
I don't think you understand either friend, Beyonder's power was implied.
There was no higher power for a character to obtain, or be establish as;
Beyonder was the legitimate absolute force behind the Beyond Realm/Marvelverse.So what will you do?
Deny what the comics state, and depicted? (On Panel and in Handbooks)
Love for you to show us what writer devalued Beyonder's true Omnipotence.
In fact, the Writer/Creator of the Secret Wars labelled Beyonder ... GOD!
In fact, he even labelled Beyonder, GOD,
before the concept of God entered Human imagination.I'm all eyes.
Same could be said about your unsupported statements concerning the Beyonder.
Ah its not a cosmic debate if Friend isn’t here.
I have a question Friend. Does Beyonder predate TOAA?
Originally posted by id369
If you believe, that my definition of omnipotence extends to characters such as Vegito. Then there is nothing I can do for you, since you are misinterpreting my definition.
In a "World's Funnest Mr. Mxyztplk vs Lord of Nightmares" thread the ones arguing for Mr. Mxyzptlk would be the ones that are right, because Mr. Mxyzptlk have done more of quality in that one comic than L-sama have done throughout the entire Slayer series.
Lets say I post the pages where Mr. Mxyzptlk destroyed "All time-lines, all alternate realities and all dimensions." Followed by the statement "L-sama haven't done anything remotely close to that."
And then a member with an opposing view argues for that she could have done that if she wanted to because she is omnipotent.
But the burden of proof lies on the one purposing the suggestion. So first the member have to prove that L-sama is omnipotent by feats--which he can't--since there's always a greater feat.
Which leads to that he will have to concede on that claim. And since she haven't done anything greater than what Mr. Mxyzptlk was showing he'll have to concede there too.
Now this is a bit far fetched, since we know that L-sama isn't omnipotent (by your definition) as she had problems getting rid of Hellmaster Phibrizzo.
So when an author states that one (or a few) of his characters is omnipotent, do like with anyone else and judge them by their feats--as you don't know what definition the author applied.
Originally posted by id369
Its as reverent as you brining up, our run ins in Naruto forum. I just wanted to let you know, I do know who you are, and it means vary little to me.
Originally posted by id369
And this is when I stop replying to any of your posts. Thank you for taking your time, to greet us with your definition of omnipotence.But really I could care less, how you tie in fiction, philosophy, and personal belief.
