The Primal Monitor Vs Abraxas

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What are his feats?

Haven't read the issue in a while, but didn't the Primal Monitor create the Anti-Monitor, which is like really powerful?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Promethean giants in their true form are gods to multiversal gods so yes the average celestial would lose,hes not just ''bigger''the entire multiverse is like smaller then a ant to him,his implied power is without limits.

Yeah, Captain Marvel and Superman couldn't comprehend his power. Let me go get the book again and I'll post some quotes...

Previously! There was Monitor only! And then! The is a flaw found at the heart of the Monitir Perfection! Monitor makes a concept to contain the flaw! Monitor Examintation reveals withing terrifying, complexities and contradictions! Magnification revels a stucture of infinitesimal rippling manifolds upon whose surrface inticate germ-like processes thrive and multiply!

Captain Marvel:

Graaah...Feedback making my skull ring, Superman! This Monitor...It's too immense to imagine! How can something be bigger than universes?

Superman:

Some kind of abstract infinite intelligence, the biggest life form I've ever encountered. A conscious, living void! With our entire Multiverse growing inside it.

Primal Monitor > an Omniverse = Thanos w/THOTU (if you think he destroyed and recreated everything, which he didn't) > everything else in Marvel.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Primal Monitor > an Omniverse = Thanos w/THOTU (if you think he destroyed and recreated everything, which he didn't) > everything else in Marvel.

Prove all of this.

Someone should be pulling out their facepalm collage for that one.

I just trying to figure out how everyone on this thread says the PM has no feats and can offer no evidence to his power and this guy comes out with PM = an Omniverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I just trying to figure out how everyone on this thread says the PM has no feats and can offer no evidence to his power and this guy comes out with PM = an Omniverse.

That guy should have his head checked. Fruitcup.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Prove all of this.

I think he may be joking, but on the defense, the PM is infinite and constantly growing. Meh, it's Morrison, so it all doesn't make sense to me. But he did create the Anti-Monitir and we all know how powerful he was. And the Anti-Monitor is a fraction of it's power.

I very much doubt he was joking.

I def wouldn't say the PM is equal to the heart,but he must be immensly powerful considering the multiverse is a spec to him..

Originally posted by cloud102
I think he may be joking, but on the defense, the PM is infinite and constantly growing. Meh, it's Morrison, so it all doesn't make sense to me. But he did create the Anti-Monitir and we all know how powerful he was. And the Anti-Monitor is a fraction of it's power.

What omniverse is the PM suppose to represent? Last I heard, the DCU was barely a megaverse.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
The Anti-Monitor he created was equal to a Monitor, and almost got killed Supergirl...

Yes, but everything, the multiverse is him. He created the Monitors. I don't know where the Presence fits into this. Maybe the Presence created the Monitor???

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What omniverse is the PM suppose to represent? Last I heard, the DCU was barely a megaverse.

Rip Hunter said it will be a Megaverse. In The Next someone claimed the DCU as a Omniverse.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Abraxas doesn't collapse universes by approaching them

Way to misinterpret what was said in a book.

"misinterpret what was said in the book?" ... huh?

In Abraxas' bio it clearly states he blurs Universal barriers with his approaching presence.

On Panel it was clearly stated that when the Multiverse begins to fold,
"THIS is what brings Abraxas"

In Abraxas secondary bio it clearly states he destroyed entire Realities (UniverseS)

On Panel it also artistically shows us 9 UniverseS Abraxas would destroy
not to mention all the UniverseS that collapsed where all those Galactuses were killed.

Not to mention how 616 was breaking down as well due to Abraxas' presence.

That's 616 in the process of a collapse,
Abraxas doesn't need to literally attack a Universe,
he casually passes by, and said entire Universe falls apart.

So again ... hum

When they say Universal Barrier thats what they mean. Thats why when he does collapse the Universal Barrier you start to see two of many characters which are from other universal that were seperated.

I wonder if Abraxas can even harm a being that encompasses everything. It looks like Morrison will re-writing everything about DCU God.

Originally posted by Philosophía

Primal Monitor > an Omniverse = Thanos w/THOTU
(if you think he destroyed and recreated everything, which he didn't) > everything else in Marvel.

And according to Jim Starlin (the actual writer of the story)
Thanos destroyed and I quote:
"the entire Marvel Universe"

(although due to stipulations Warlock and Death were left alive)

Also, not to mention according to 5 separate Handbook bios:
Thanos destroyed "All Reality" ... All Existence"

On Panel Thanos absorbed until nothing remained,
with the exception of Warlock who's a Marvel anomaly (which also served a purpose in the story)
and Death, Thanos' love-interest, imo, he allowed it sub-consciously,
although the justification was, she exists outside all creation,

Originally posted by xJLxKing

When they say Universal Barrier thats what they mean.
Thats why when he does collapse the Universal Barrier
you start to see two of many characters
which are from other universal that were seperated.

I agree.

If you're implying anything other?

I disagree, due to On Panel, and Handbook definitive proof.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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"misinterpret what was said in the book?" ... huh?

In Abraxas' bio it clearly states he blurs Universal barriers with his approaching presence.

On Panel it was clearly stated that when the Multiverse begins to fold,
"THIS is what brings Abraxas"

In Abraxas secondary bio it clearly states he destroyed entire Realities (UniverseS)

On Panel it also artistically shows us 9 UniverseS Abraxas would destroy
not to mention all the UniverseS that collapsed where all those Galactuses were killed.

Not to mention how 616 was breaking down as well due to Abraxas' presence.

That's 616 in the process of a collapse,
Abraxas doesn't need to literally attack a Universe,
he casually passes by, and said entire Universe falls apart.

So again ... hum

Again, how do you to destroying universes from blurring dimensional barriers?

Also, would everyone be dead being that close to him if he can destroy whole realities from a distance?

I am unconvinced.