Gouken vs Heihachi

Originally posted by Sado22
over here some dude also claimed that perhaps he might be inspired from jinpachi.

Originally posted by Sado22
oly clarified his position, kriz thinks the same as me and most of the boys bailed on you the moment they saw the pics. his face, beard, ponytail, outfit, and poses all are the same as Jinpachi. to make matters worse, he ripped of marco's special and does tatsumakisenpuukyaku like ryo and even does the haoduken with one hand like ryo.
btw, you can stop those lame "i know what you're thinking" shite right about now cuz that would mean that i can continue with the fact taht you were flaming ryo in the gouken thread. to paraphrase you back to you: don't go on pretending that you know shite you can't prove. quit the double standards. "move on" 😂

I made a joke about you loving SF. Where's the "I know what you're thinking part"?

No one bailed on anything, they just didn't get caught up in a stupid argument w/you like I did. No one mentioned rehash in the Gouken thread until you did. What's the point of bringing that up again? You still bitter over that? You like to restart old fires?

Oly's position is that Gouken ain't a rip. If Kriz thiks that he's a rip, he ain't said it yet. You should stick to the debate about the fights because you suck @this ripoff shit. You're 0 & 2 so far. Cut your losses & keep it moving

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
didn't seem like a joke....especially since you've been going "flame on" for a while now. never seen that many swear words since he 52string f-words in undisputed.

Originally posted by Sado22
when some dude makes a statement and then somebody else shows a proof of sorts and he don't respond........it means you're bailing. at least where i come from. don't know how good ol' americans do it though.
i'm not the one who brings ancient history and uses it against other people.

Originally posted by Sado22
oly's position is that he thinks gouken is too f'ing similar to jinpachi. seems like "rehash/ripoff"?

~Sado

they are very similar... really, what are capcom thinking right now?

Originally posted by Sado22
no that's not my reason. Gouken looked NOTHING like present Gouken. in the past he had those anal beads like Akumas, wore a reddish gi, looked like Chang Koehan if he lost weight and his hair were black.

the second version, his hir changed to white and his gi was made gray.

present day Gou[b]pachi isn't wearing a karate gi, his ponytail has grown longer like Jinpachi's, he's wearing those classic japanese pajamas that are baggy all the way till below the knees and tied there (which looks pretty stupid btw), and his top covers only one side of his shirt. his face has been further changed, his beard has been made longer, his hair style is literally just like Jinpachi's and they even lengthened his ponytail but instead of it being held open, its just tied like Terry Bogard's. on top of that, the increased his body size to the EXACT SAME type as Jinpachi's while before it was relatively buff but like akuma's who is buff but not huge. when all this isn't bad enough, they even gave him similar stances and pics as Jinpachi.

Asians don't have dark-skin, you idiot. why are americans so goddamn ignorant?!

okay, so by that token Ryo is no ripoff of Ryu.
ryu:
-brown hair
-middle parted short
-shorter
-white karate gi
-no t-shirt underneath
-calm and quiet

Ryo:
-blonde
-spikey, long
-tall
-orange karate gi
-black t-shirt underneath
-cocky and brash

~Sado [/B]

White is basically the grey in SF, look at Gen. He's as old as the sun, and has white, not grey hair.

So having long ponytails, and baggy lower garments, and the fact that he shows chest(seriously dude, come on), and some of the changes you mentioned, are not even similar in appearance to Jinpachi, at all. And, Gouken, and Ryu, Ken, Gouki, and most SF characters for that matter, are buffer than Hinpachi from what I can recall. That's just the way the SF art is.

Yes, they do, relatively at least, compared to the likes of Ken(who is very fair skinned, bein American), and hell, his brother, Gouki, is also dark skinned, why wouldn't Gouken also be dark-skinned? And yeah, some Asians are dark in skin-tone, SOME, not ALL.

And please stop the flaming, I have not flamed you once, you are only presenting yourself as immature and impulsive. 🙂

Can you bring up a single time I have ever called Ryo a rip-off?

Seriously, do you just believe what you want to believe? It seems like every post you direct towards me, you bring up some shit I never even said.

Wtf?

And going by the pics, they are very different.

Clothes are totally different, face is not similar at all, beards look nothing alike, all they share is dark skin, buffness, and from the looks of it, that is it.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma

they are very similar... really, what are capcom thinking right now?

Yeah...similar...but as I said so is Fei Long/Marshall but no one says Marshall is a ripoff.

So anyway, Heihachi has no probs with long range attacks especially if they feel like kicks. He got slammed through a brick wall and got up like it was time for breakfast in T3.

I remember seeing Gouken's design LOOONG before Jinpachi was even thought of....

Where was it?

Oh yeah! Gouki's Alpha 1 ending...

Yeah...similar...but as I said so is Fei Long/Marshall but no one says Marshall is a ripoff.

I put a after it and as far as the cussing goes it's because you were honestly being a hateful @sshole in the wrong threads. I'm willing to be done w/it as long as this ain't brought up again. YOU are the only one who's called Gouken a rip so far

1. Gee, who would have thought that in over a decade, Gouken's appearance would change?

So having long ponytails, and baggy lower garments, and the fact that he shows chest(seriously dude, come on), and some of the changes you mentioned, are not even similar in appearance to Jinpachi, at all. And, Gouken, and Ryu, Ken, Gouki, and most SF characters for that matter, are buffer than Hinpachi from what I can recall. That's just the way the SF art is.

And please stop the flaming, I have not flamed you once, you are only presenting yourself as immature and impulsive.

Can you bring up a single time I have ever called Ryo a rip-off? Seriously, do you just believe what you want to believe? It seems like every post you direct towards me, you bring up some shit I never even said

~Sado

I remember seeing Gouken's design LOOONG before Jinpachi was even thought of....Where was it? Oh yeah! Gouki's Alpha 1 ending...

Because he's also been in official artworks before and since then.

In fact, otyher than the beard than the fact that he's old, how do you conclude that he's a ripoff, even though he's already been designed and drawn well and truly before the guy he's supposed to be ripping off? 😕

It's an entirely different kettle of fish. Dan is a Spoof, Ryo may well be a ripoff, although he has enough differences to distance himself from Ryu in my book (I know I-Drop'll disagree with me there) but Gouken a 'pachi rip? There's nothing remotely similar besides beard and advanced age...

He mentioned other similarities (stance, buffness, clothing and biography), and I think he left out the dark skin too, but Gouken probably had that in the earlier artwork. Can they be posted here?

Fact of the matter is it isn't written on stone that Gouken is a ripoff of anyone. I think it's just his way of saying Capcom got ideas from Namco. Again, not a bad thing, when practically every fighting character is based off of someone (or something). Lei Wulong is a good example (Jackie Chan anyone? 😄)

Err... Buffness and similar stance?

Yes, Gouken is buff, but his stance is entirely different, it's similar to Akuma's, his brother.

His clothing? Gouken wears a Gi, same as his brother ans students, and wears beads like Akuma... There's nothing similar about them exept for the fact that it's a japanese style of clothing...

Biography was made WAY before Jinpachi's ever was thought of...

And skin color? WTF does that have to do with him being a ripoff?

Face it people, Capcom pioneered many/most of fighting game character designs, right alongside SNK...

Gouken's been 15 years in the making at the very least, while Jinpachi has had a 3rd of that at most..

Agreed on the stance, but in those two particular pics the stances looks similar. That is all. Not saying 'pachi's was first.

The gi now looks different, it's showing more of his upper body, and the beads are gone. The pants are baggier and show a little more leg 😘, similar to 'pachi. Again not ripping off, just a similarity.

I don't think anyone's saying bio was ripped off. Just that there are similarities between the two. Yes we know Gouken's came first.

...that probably has more to do with ripping off than same color of gi/some attire. Does earlier showings show Gouken with that dark color? If not, it was after Tekken 5.

Forgot to mention Gouken's hair. I originally had it mistaken with the inky stuff in the artwork. 😂

Some do and some don't have him with darker skin, but remember, it's been a number of years since he was supposedly struck down by Akuma.

Hell, Akuma's skin is neigrolite colors to begin with, hes darker than even Balrog in most instances, although not as dark as DJ is... and if Akuma can go that dark, and Gouken's related, I don't see the problem.

DJ is pale.

😂

Originally posted by Sado22
putting a smiley don't mean squat after you're flaming somebody like hell in another thread. stop being stupid. resorting to flames is never the answer........especially over a f'ing videogame characters. get real, dude 😬

@DSZ. I don't call him ripoff anymore. He's rehash now 'cuz he got too much in common w/Ryu&Ken(not just appearance), but I'm not 100% sure on his creation.

...Seriously, how do you look at those two pics and say "ZOMG THEY ARE EXACTLY ALIKE!"

His beard and hair are competely different, his face is much different, hell, even their STANCES in those two pics are different.

Only similarities are both have a beard and are old. Oh and dark skin. Whoa.

He mentioned other similarities (stance, buffness, clothing and biography), and I think he left out the dark skin too, but Gouken probably had that in the earlier artwork. Can they be posted here?

Awww. Someone sounds like their feelings got hurt.

You gave me little choice in the flaming by acting like such a shitbag in that other thread. You started the flaming, but I'm sorry if I offended anybody. We should ALL stop w/the name calling. Truce?

~Sado

Again, you know how I am about respect threads. You can hate on all of SF until the sun burns out, just keep the hate outta their respective respect threads.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Seriously, how do you look at those two pics and say "ZOMG THEY ARE EXACTLY ALIKE!"

His beard and hair are competely different, his face is much different, hell, even their STANCES in those two pics are different.

Only similarities are both have a beard and are old. Oh and dark skin. Whoa.