Sith'ari - Who do you think it is?

Started by Darth Exodus5 pages
lol. Unless she moves faster than bullets, nah.

I don't know, how fast are blaster bolts? And by simple ABC logic, Mara was able to keep up (i.e. not get blitzed) by Caedus who was in turn able to keep up with Luke who was able to move so fast he seemed to have 20 arms at once. And even if there were special influence on that feat, as I recall there being, his power through battle meld shouldn't have been amped by that much without sucking Jaina and Jacen dry.

Side-step bullets? When has she ever done that?

Y'know the whole batting bolts aside, plus it would help to know exactly where the bullets will be coming with decent enough speed. Heck with just the first alot of people have dodged bullets e.g. Batman etc etc.

She'd be too busy concentrating on simply keeping him still

She doesn't have to, just keep him in one place. He can't exactly wriggle out of an invisible, intangible force gripping him around the waist (where Jedi usually grip). If she does as much as walk behind him theres jack he can do, other than fire blindly over his shoulder.

AND throw her lightsaber with enough force to do any actual damage, considering lightsabers have no kinetic weight and thus one strike would only be enough to deactivate the shield not pierce him, unless there was driving force behind it.

There is. It's called the force.

One stab won't kill the Chief anyway. MJOLNIR armor contains biofoam, which plugs up holes and wounds and provides special nutrients to keep the body alive. A person with biofoam
injected in their bodies can fight normally even when severely damaged. MJOLNIR injects biofoam directly into wherever the wound is. A marine in the The Flood had his stomach exploded by needler rounds and he lived because of biofoam... So, assuming that everything you say is correct, she tosses her saber at the Chief and it goes right through him... then what? She's defenseless and he's stll ready to go.

She calls it back and this time it cuts off his head. If that doesn't work she just repeats untill the Chief simply can't live. Probably wouldn't take that long.

Bullets move in slow motion to John, and he ran a kilometer in 19 seconds with a broken ankle, this is before he gained the Mark VI which increases a SPARTAN's speed and mobility. What's Mara's best speed feat?

As I've said keeping up with Caedus and dodging lightning, aimed at her by C'baoth.

And precog has failed to save Jedi from fighting opponents who were just as fast or actually slower.

Everyone makes mistakes. That and PIS, I blame PIS.

Jango killed one of Doku's apprentices by himself and killed multiple jedi knights by himself in close quarters combat.

Substantiate how good the jedi were. Perhaps they were merely the discendents of Johun. Other then that I can only blame luck, skill and brains. The only Jedi i've seen him kill is that one he threw snow at. And that random guy it the phallic shaped head in AOTC.
Anyway, I fail to see how this affect's this fight in the slightest.

Nice argument.

I know, I spent alot of time and hardwork on that argument . I'm its daddy 😄

First off, you know that random assumptions/guesses don't fly in a debate. And that's all this is. Second off, I disagree. A "heavily armored" object only about two feet in height would weigh about a hundered to a hundred and fifty pounds unless it was made out of the most super-esque dense steel ever, which you'd have to prove. Third, force growth is not linear like that, and it depends on the person's strength in the force naturally. Feats please.

Damn, its too early for maths. The wall was most likely made out of durasteel, the most common substance in the SWverse and generally multi-purpose produce. Wookieepedia says 'Durasteel was an incredibly strong and versatile metal alloy, created from carvanium, lommite, carbon, meleenium, neutronium, and zersium. It was capable of withstanding blistering heat, frigid cold, and monumental physical stress, even when very thin. ' That last bit indicate that it would probably be extremely dense.
I can't be bothered to do anything else and I don't know enough about Mara too detail her rise in power, so I'll probably just surrender the point to you.

Damn, its too early for maths. The wall was most likely made out of durasteel, the most common substance in the SWverse and generally multi-purpose produce. Wookieepedia says 'Durasteel was an incredibly strong and versatile metal alloy, created from carvanium, lommite, carbon, meleenium, neutronium, and zersium. It was capable of withstanding blistering heat, frigid cold, and monumental physical stress, even when very thin. ' That last bit indicate that it would probably be extremely dense.
I can't be bothered to do anything else and I don't know enough about Mara too detail her rise in power, so I'll probably just surrender the point to you. [/B]

Well at this point... most of your argument hinged on that point... so yeah.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I don't know, how fast are blaster bolts? And by simple ABC logic, Mara was able to keep up (i.e. not get blitzed) by Caedus who was in turn able to keep up with Luke who was able to move so fast he seemed to have 20 arms at once. And even if there were special influence on that feat, as I recall there being, his power through battle meld shouldn't have been amped by that much without sucking Jaina and Jacen dry.

I don't have to lecutre you on ABC logic. Suffice to say, was it stated that Luke was moving as fast as he was against the Vong? At that point in time he was doing the whole "embodiment of the force thing", "Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality." It's not like that's his fighting speed in general.

Y'know the whole batting bolts aside, plus it would help to know exactly where the bullets will be coming with decent enough speed. Heck with just the first alot of people have dodged bullets e.g. Batman etc etc.

There's a difference between moving your entire body and your wrists... almost every time we see Jedi fight their actual body movements are near regular but they're hand movements with their lightsabers are quick... the only exceptions being Luke, Sideous, and Yoda, all of which are leagues above Mara in force ability.

Again, if she could do that then she wouldn't need a lightsaber in a one on on situation.

As I've said keeping up with Caedus and dodging lightning, aimed at her by C'baoth.

Nonsensical abc argument and sith lightning in general isn't that fast. Certainly not faster than bullets.

And besides, your whole point is incorrect because Mara can't keep up with Caeudus. The only reason she did well against him was because she prepared for the fight before hand. In a straight up fight with no prep time Cauedus would kick her ass. He's a stronger fighter than her in almost every way except for brains.

Everyone makes mistakes. That and PIS, I blame PIS.

Not gonna fly. There's been far too many occurrences of force users in established canon having trouble against non force users to just pass all of it off as PIS. You've got Mandalorians, Greivous, the Fetts, clones, droids like the magna gaurds, etc.

Substantiate how good the jedi were. Perhaps they were merely the discendents of Johun. Other then that I can only blame luck, skill and brains. The only Jedi i've seen him kill is that one he threw snow at. And that random guy it the phallic shaped head in AOTC.
Anyway, I fail to see how this affect's this fight in the slightest.

It shows that force users can't effortlessly kill any non-force user, like you seem to think they could.

So at the end, the thought process saying Mara can just hold Chief in place, despite never doing that to anyone, has in any case been conceeded. That means she'll have to fight for real, and the chances of her landing not one, but two strikes on him with her lightsaber before he can hit her once and kill her instantly, is extremely low, considering he's much stronger than her, much more durable, and is much faster. The only proof to the contrary being a fallacious ABC argument. 😬

Also keep in mind that if Mara were to strike with her lightsaber and the Chief were to raise his hand up to bat it away... the force created by his hand hitting the blade would swat the lightsaber hundreds of feet away, or at worse break her arm? And any part of her body that he touches will pretty much cave in and be crumpled?

Um, what? Needless to say, this has crap-all to do with Star Wars...