Originally posted by Starscream M
So you think a Watcher could break the bond of Cytorrak...gimme a friggin break. 🙄
Yeah because I said that in my post. I mentioned Watchers and everything.
Originally posted by Starscream M
oh gimme a friggin breaka disintegratin beam has no effect on Cain. that nimrod crap was crap.
Cain's durability is not physical...it's magical. so disintegration beam can't effect it.
How was it crap?
Originally posted by Starscream M
you used flawed ABC logicClassic Dr. Strange was a being far far above Juggernaut in power
yet I could kill him with a pistol
so being powerful doesn't naturally mean your durabiltiy is high
The Watcher doesn't have insane durability...I'd wager even the Hulk has better durability than the Watcher.
Which makes your example pointless. It's like me saying Punisher could kill Classic Doctor strange with a rocket launcher, so he should be able to kill juggernaut also.
You must be kidding me. Classic Dr strange regularly without the empowerments from any cosmic beings was not even remotely close to the power of a watcher. NOT EVEN CLOSE. The watcher is an above skyfather level being comparable to cyttorak himself. Watchers have survived battles that destroyed solar systems and even entire universes. Really this nonsense has to stop. Hulk having better durability than a cosmic being? Christ!!
Originally posted by Wei Phoenixuhhh because how would a disintegration beam have any effect against an invulnerability that is magical in nature?
How was it crap?
see, Colossus is durable because his skin is hard and durable. A disintegration beam would break his molecular structure apart.
Marko's durability is magical in nature, a physical method of attack has no effect regardless of the nature of the blast. You can't disintegrate the magical barrier that keeps Marko invincible the same way you can disintegrate Colossus hard outer shell.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenixdood please find where I ever said Cain could beat Galactus?
See Starscream, your accusations of Cain being able to beat Galactus and survive universe destroying blasts have warranted messages like the above one.
NEVER.
All I said was that Cain Marko could certainly withstand a normal Galactus' blasts.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I said Cytorrak was above NimrodI think he is above a normal Galactus...but a fullpowered Galactus is above him. Not that it matters, its all speculation.
Please provide the proof that Cyttorak is above a normal Galactus. You say that u need to be above cyttorak to hurt juggs. All though that is false, i say that a normal galactus is above cyttorak. Could u please provide proof that cyttorak is on a normal galactuses level? If not ur already nonsensical arguement will just become even worse.
Originally posted by Starscream M
dood please find where I ever said Cain could beat Galactus?NEVER.
All I said was that Cain Marko could certainly withstand a normal Galactus' blasts.
And when did I say a Watcher was above Cyttorak?
I agreed that a normal blast wouldn't hurt him but a FP universe busting would so where is the disagreement at?
Originally posted by Starscream M
uhhh because how would a disintegration beam have any effect against an invulnerability that is magical in nature?see, Colossus is durable because his skin is hard and durable. A disintegration beam would break his molecular structure apart.
Marko's durability is magical in nature, a physical method of attack has no effect regardless of the nature of the blast. You can't disintegrate the magical barrier that keeps Marko invincible the same way you can disintegrate Colossus hard outer shell.
That is absolutely untrue. Physical force cant destroy magical barriers where did u get that fallacy from? Dr strange has had his magical barriers and shields broken through physical force on numerous occassions. Please stop making things up.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
TBH and unbiased, Cain has tremendous durability against energy, physical and most magical attacks, but if it is a disentigrating beam/attack like Nimrod used then he is screwed which is an attack that Galactus has no problem producing.
Im not discounting Juggernauts durability. Frankly anyone short of skyfather level probably woudnt even bother him. But with galactus we have gone way past skyfather level. I mean there is reasonable evidence to suggest that Galactus is >>>>cyttorak himself. When u then consider that juggernaut is not imbued with the even close to a quarter of cyttoraks power, to suggest that galactus would find it hard to hurt him is just insulting.
Thanos - May survive the initial attack, but if Galactus start on him, he's dead. BFR himself is the best option.
Thor - Have a ****in' A-List soacking damage ability via the mallet, but it may be not enough to survive the initial attack.
Gladiator - Got vaporised
Beta Ray Bill - See Thor
Magneto - See Gladiator
Juggernaut - See Thor
Absorbing Man - See Gladiator
After that, Galactus run on Thanos and humiliate him, just before killing him. He then goes destroying Asgard, with all is habitants (and it include Ymir, Odin, Surtur, etc.) and finaly go punk Cyttorak himself, just before destroying Juggernaut.
Let me say what I want to based on the first two pages.
First off, Galactus was incredibly weakened, started fighting Ego, beat Ego, Thor cheapshots him (Galactus throws him like a baseball with enough force to kill), Ego saves Thor; we assume Galactus is going to absorb Ego; Thor Godblasts an unexpected Galactus who was incredibly weak before he beat Ego.
Second, when Thor Godblasted Juggernaut, he had to override two things. Juggernaut's shield, and Juggernaut's forward momentum (he's unstoppable). Those two things would severely throw off some of the power of the blast when it actually came to hitting Juggy.
We assume Thor broke the shield since he was able to move Juggernaut back as well.
Anyway, it wasn't all Juggy's durability that saved him IMO.
Third, Galactus has a shield that on-panel, has never been broken.
Forth, Brucey, tell me an issue number where Galactus gets beaten straight up by the Fantastic Four. Weakened Galactus. Then tell me when a normal Galactus gets beaten.
Fifth, Galactus wins.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Let me say what I want to based on the first two pages.First off, Galactus was incredibly weakened, started fighting Ego, beat Ego, Thor cheapshots him (Galactus throws him like a baseball with enough force to kill), Ego saves Thor; we assume Galactus is going to absorb Ego; Thor Godblasts an unexpected Galactus who was incredibly weak before he beat Ego.
Second, when Thor Godblasted Juggernaut, he had to override two things. Juggernaut's shield, and Juggernaut's forward momentum (he's unstoppable). Those two things would severely throw off some of the power of the blast when it actually came to hitting Juggy.
We assume Thor broke the shield since he was able to move Juggernaut back as well.
Anyway, it wasn't all Juggy's durability that saved him IMO.Third, Galactus has a shield that on-panel, has never been broken.
Forth, Galactus wins.
Cain didn't have his FF up at that time.
Hmmm this is for those who have the utterly inane idea that Hulk or juggernaut is more durable than a watcher
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1127/10gp6.jpg
"The bodies of watchers are containers of a cosmic primal force, Effectively,omnipotent,indestructable and immortal unless they choose to die"
Hulk level durability my ass.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Hmmm this is for those who have the utterly inane idea that Hulk or juggernaut is more durable than a watcherhttp://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1127/10gp6.jpg
"The bodies of watchers are containers of a cosmic primal force, Effectively,omnipotent,indestructable and immortal unless they choose to die"
Hulk level durability my ass.
I never knew that they actually had powers like that. Seeing as I only seen them in MUA and another time where Uatu intervened where he shouldn't have. Thanks UT for the education. For the record me nor Knowsbleed, two of KMC's biggest Juggernaut fans have not said that this team stomps him, Juggernaut beats him or Juggernaut could take his FP blast. That is all continue your day good people.
Originally posted by Starscream MYes.
galactus is suddenly a powerful telepath?!so why doesnt he just telepathically control Reed Richards next time instead of getting his ass handed to him by the puny mortal every time
Besides what's been said, he was able to hold Doom effortlessly from where ever Galactus was at the time (this was when Doom stole Surfer's Power Cosmic, so Galactus was millions of light years away), and could have destroyed him easily.
He was also able to one-shot Terrax with a telepathic blast that seemingly destroyed an entire city, and Terrax later scurried into a black hole (since Galactus can't enter one, or else he'll destroy the black hole, and the person inside, and he wanted Terrax alive), from an unspecified way away.
When has he gotten his ass kicked by Reed?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I never knew that they actually had powers like that. Seeing as I only seen them in MUA and another time where Uatu intervened where he shouldn't have. Thanks UT for the education. For the record me nor Knowsbleed, two of KMC's biggest Juggernaut fans have not said that this team stomps him, Juggernaut beats him or Juggernaut could take his FP blast. That is all continue your day good people.
No worries, obviously respectable posters such as urselves wouldnt say such a thing.This Starscream fellow however......thats another story. As it stands really he is just embarrassing juggernaut you true juggernaut fans.
