League of Champions Semi-Finals: #1 B-Dub/Smurph Vs. #4 Charlotte

Magical skillset
I know there also might be some doubt on Faust being able to use powers of Magik II and Zachary Zatara due to having their experience. However, the only "superpower" they have as inborn one is the ability to do magic (which Faust also posesses).

The Winding Way and the semantic magic are only the TAUGHT ways of using magic common among certain families.

Faust has used a bit of semantic magic before WITHOUT copying or tapping into Zatanna's powers in any way (he says that damage inflicted on her soul prevents him from tapping in it), so it's not like he can't do that without proper experience.

Proof that Amanda's skills are learned and not inborn (and thus fall under experience category):
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrpage14yl5.jpg

The only "inborn" gift of Zatanna is the ability to do magic (which Faust of course has)
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Semantic magic is something she mastered as her training continued (i.e. skills and not experience):
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Zachary is no different from his family in that aspect (semantic magic being the way of magic he received primary tutelage in).

That means that by having access to Amanda's and Zachary's experiences Faust has access to their way of casting spells.

That means advanced combat teleportation (as opposing to self-evacuating option when PWNed too hard which is the only way of teleportation your team has) and the option of transmuting the air around your team into promethium are perfectly avaliable to us.
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That pretty much covers all the doubtful points you may have about my team.

Your team, however, has screwen on Elixir and Phalanx things in your prep, and still didn't present the answer for that being not self-contradictory.
The "we win without prep" is your typical bluffing done out of desperation, cause Nimrod was pwned by things way less powerful than my team, the others as well.

You going apeshit with Phalanx and Elixir=you killing your own team in prep. Thank you for cooperation.

Seriously, good match. Best of luck to Smurph when it comes to his wrestling competition.

Ok, so I'm starting to get extremely irritated with how Charlotte posts meaningless scan after scan, that have extremely loose correlations to her point, and then acts as if she's proven something.

I'll try to answer everthing here as concisely as possible.

Phalanx

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[B] Charlotte's post #6\10

I'm beginning that thing with the scans of Bastion being unable to sustain being transmoded into Phalanx unit.
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The only thing those scans prove is that it takes energy to be big. They actually show that Bastion could be transmuted extremely fast and easily, but that because he was ridiculously tall and had just been through a fight, didn't have the energy to sustain himself at that height.

This doesn't connect to your point in the slightest, and is a completely different scenario than this fight, as we're in a situation where we have characters with ridiculous amounts of energy, and are starting completely fresh (unlike Bastion at that point in time).

You've already shown with your own scans that Nimrod has power reserves enough to make giant explosions on a whim, and I've shown he can make energy shields, move tons of metal, hit Juggernaut with more strength than the hulk, continuously block telepathy of Rachel Grey's caliber, and then, after all that, regenerate his whole body and teleport away. All we want to do is grow big and teleport, and that's ignoring that we also have access to the energy reserves of Bedlam, Cyclops, Warlock and all of our adopted mutant powers, as well as any energy-generating technology that Stark, Reed, etc have ever built.

In short: you've only proven that we can be transmuted without a problem, and the issue shown in those scans doesn't translate here.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
However, you've attempted to answer that with mutant powers supposingly powering up your amalgams to their team busting levels.However...you've reached the next stop in your road to failure by doing that.
http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phalanxassimilationqf7.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mutantsphalanxoc4.jpg

Mutant biology is HOSTILE to Phalanx. So you can't possibly use mutant powers to power up the transmoding process... likely you'll get killed in that.

Hmm... we need a way around resisting a virus... if only we had an omega-level mutant that controlled all biology, and recently acquired the entire genetic knowledge banks of the most prolific geneticist in comics, who specialized in mutant DNA...

So, yeah, as I've said throughout the entire match, Elixir saves the day.

Also, I recall Storm being willingly infected by the phalanx in the past, and that working out fine.

And finally, if the process looks like it's gonna be harmful to us, Elixir can cancel it with a snap of his fingers. The assertions that this process would be in any way harmful to us are pretty ridiculous.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
By doing that you also can kiss goodbye to your sophisticated data banks- Phalanx only saves partial memory of assimilated mutants... as for cyborgs, well, you've seen what've happened to Bastion.
http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=limitedmemoriesot4.jpg

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

[b]Elixir prep
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Basically, Charlotte pointlessly rants about how Elixir can't perform because he doesn't have photographic memory. She rants because she hasn't thought the process through, or because she seeks to simply pile on illogical doubt in order to salvage judge votes... this would be consistent with her multiple, frequent scans that don't relate to her point at all... apparently, as long as there are scans to click, even if they're irrelevant, she's proven her point.

Either way, Charlotte's rant, like her scans, are simply byproducts of a debater that is starting to realize she's losing the battle, and is no doubt starting to get a little nervous. So, we get dumped with this long, pointless big about Elixir.

I concede that Elixir doesn't have photographic memory.
I concede that Mr. Sinister doesn't have photographic memory.

Doesn't matter, though... Nimrod does.

Nimrod was who we gave Sinister's memories too, when they briefly amalgamated, precisely for the purpose of photographic memory.

We transfer these memories to Elixir however we need to. Nimrod has hinted at telepathy before, and we can develop it just like Danger did. Or like Mr. Terrific has, or we can implant Elixir with a device via Stem Cell's tech. Or we take over Elixir with Bedlam's powers. Or we simply amalgamate with him. Or we just tell him what to do. Not really an issue either way.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for Smurph bravado when trying to escape Phalanxization failure - Hellion on unamped level had little trouble if any stopping Nimrod's best blasts.
Sonics on team where everyone is capable on moving WAY beyond speed of sound=LOL, most uneffective attack ever.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Just cause some close range stuff worked wonders on Juggernaut messing with his neural impulses...that doesn't mean it would be just as effective on person who can control her own brain chemistry as shown there.
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen201008ya3.jpg
Your dislocutor attack=failure.

You show a scan of a simple toxin completely paralyzing Emma Frost, and then debate that you'll be perfectly fine after being hit by an attack that is much faster, much more advanced, capable of being altered by us on a whim, and continuous.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
On top of that, Nimrod is horribly immobile and NEVER used any combat teleportation.

He teleported while in the middle of combat...

He's aware of everything around him

He can easily teleport anywhere he pleases, and has done so more than once.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
His "teleport" is uncontrollable failsafe activated when his body receives damage beyond certain level

Uncontrollable?
Failsafe?

WTF? I hope you've got scans ready to prove that.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
As for "not shown upper limits=no limits at all", it's silly. AT MOST Bedlam's powers have afffected the area of a few square kilometres. Not to mention EMPs can be stopped by TK shields easily.

We started off the match .5 kilometers away from you.

Being a super computer from way far in the future that can come up with technology for any given situation in between panels, we'll surely be reacting before you. Nimrod's reactions are ridiculously superior, and, like your TK, Bedlam's powers are instantaneous to his thought. So if we think faster (and Nimrod surely thinks faster than you), we also respond faster, as our thoughts = responses (you've just dedicated a whole post to that concept... Bedlam's exactly the same).

Notice how Charlotte is capable of coming up with meaningless scans to apply to all of her points save the claim that Bedlam can be TK shielded against.

Tell me, how are you going to shield against this?

Originally posted by Original Smurph

[b]Misconception #12: They can TK shield against Bedlam’s powers

Bedlam uses his powers without putting them into a ray or a beam or a blast. He can affect things long range, just by thinking about them.

Demonstrates this with a helicopter:

And with a human brain (showing that we can actually shut off your powers far sooner than you would even attempt to shut off ours):

And none of that was in any form that could be defended against via TP or TK… not that I’m convinced that Hellion has the ability to defend against a special biological EMP like what Bedlam emits.
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Game. Set. Match.

Charlotte's post #10

I'm coming from down to upwards with my answer.

"Special biological EMP"=WTF? EMP is EMP, no matter how you cut it. Bedlam's powers are merely emitting the electromagnetic impulse scrambling either tech or brain.
Telekinesis provides ample protection from electromagnetic energy:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5025/newxmen1908kv3.jpg

We're operating on amped levels there, remember? Omnidirectional EMP would be stopped, cause it's still an electromagnetic energy. We also have Cable's experience to fall back on.
Manipulating one's brain potential telekinetically FTW, guys:

Unless you prove that Bedlam's EMP is NOT an electromagnetic energy but something else...consider Bedlam's power obsolete. And the shields are UP in the last seconds of prep, we enter the match shielded.
And if what he does isn't emitting omnidirectional\directed EMP pulse, but manipulating the electromagnetic charge in someone's brain...Cable's experience allows us to do that as well.
http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xman03803zk4.jpg

And you have all seen the speeds on which we can apply our TK (the flight for TK users is merely an application of TK to move himself rather than other object, NOT SEPARATE POWER and in fact you need to be MORE PRECISE to move himself than to move other stuff with TK).

Elixir

Basically, Charlotte pointlessly rants about how Elixir can't perform because he doesn't have photographic memory. She rants because she hasn't thought the process through, or because she seeks to simply pile on illogical doubt in order to salvage judge votes... this would be consistent with her multiple, frequent scans that don't relate to her point at all... apparently, as long as there are scans to click, even if they're irrelevant, she's proven her point.

Either way, Charlotte's rant, like her scans, are simply byproducts of a debater that is starting to realize she's losing the battle, and is no doubt starting to get a little nervous. So, we get dumped with this long, pointless big about Elixir.

I concede that Elixir doesn't have photographic memory.
I concede that Mr. Sinister doesn't have photographic memory.

Doesn't matter, though... Nimrod does.

Nimrod was who we gave Sinister's memories too, when they briefly amalgamated, precisely for the purpose of photographic memory.

We transfer these memories to Elixir however we need to. Nimrod has hinted at telepathy before, and we can develop it just like Danger did. Or like Mr. Terrific has, or we can implant Elixir with a device via Stem Cell's tech. Or we take over Elixir with Bedlam's powers. Or we simply amalgamate with him. Or we just tell him what to do. Not really an issue either way.

The last paragraph basically screams "proof" cause you know, pigs were hinted to fly on light speed and shooting pink beams out of their asses.
As for Steam Cell -where the f*ck you got it, again? I know that the Livewires project was indirectly supervised by SHIELD, but it's far cry from you actually having it in your memory banks. Cause actually STORING every single SHIELD-associated piece of data is FAAAR beyond Nimrod's and Black Box's shown data capacity.

Also we don't even know whether those files are downloadable online.

Also, Smurph, you talking about "illogical doubts" yet you want your precious Elixir to go WAY beyond his shown biggest feats aka removing evident genetic abnormalities (myopic eyesight, cancer). One thing is to remember how helathy DNA is supposed to like (a thing pretty generic for every single human, ilnesses are common to all) and another thing is precisely remembering genetic maps of a dozen of metas.

That's a reference of how complicated a thing a genetic map is:
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The feats he has done already have him basically remembering the generic structure of human DNA and which loci\sectors are responsible for what- I never questioned THAT.
Remembering DOZENS of genetic maps with precision down to every single nucleotide is way beyond his memory capacity (and in that light "telling him what to do" sounds pretty retarded).
And your last paragraph is invalid and basically a bunch of desperate hopes that somewhere somehow there's an answer.

Phalanx is incompatible with mutant DNA period, and Forge in the scan was WILLINGLY accepting assimilation, yet it failed on him. The only way for Elixir to "override" that, basically, is to strap every single one of his teammates from X-Gene (cause that's what causes incompatibility). I won't question his ability to do that (all his recent big feats suggest he can remove the abnormalities- it is what he was doing all the time), however here we come to logical paradox.

1. In order for you to have powers under even small degree of control (and have them not blowing your own team up) you NEED to "Phalanx" your team up (and even then you get the analogue of "watching highly detailed video" (worked with our team cause we didn't give anyone new powers, M'gann already knows ABCs of her own powers and is merely shown new ways to apply them) and it would be ZERO help to you cause you're giving yourselves totally foreign powers none in your team have experience with).
2. In order to "Phalanx up" you need to depower everyone of your team by removing their mutant powers (the ONLY way to remove incompatibility).

Results
With X-Gene: your team blows itself up
Without X-Gene: no Bedlam powers or any other energy source, a bunch of generic Phalax drones.

Third option is not given to you there- it's not possible to "have your cake and eat it".

Omega level mutant merely means "an unlimited potential for power development" (which may be not reached anywhere in given future) not unlimited power level or unlimited power capacity. That word has been thrown too loosely on board recently. "We have an omega mutant in our team so we win" logic doesn't fly there, especially since you don't have any proof of Elixir manipulating DNA on level WAY more precise that he even did even with Beast's experience.

The only thing he can do that is\was proven by his recent on panel feats is... depower your own team and himself to make them accessible for Phalanx.

Go for it 👆

Believe me or not, Elixir's powers are finite:
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I've already shown you New Son's nasty habit to blow up his teammates (and he had way more that 5 minutes of experience with his own powers).

But you're attempting to "create" X-Man's powers as well. Not only he was sh*t-worthy with no experience (schooled by Emma in TP combat, schooled by Electro screwing up his powers)- but... see for yourself.

With quite a little experience dude was having problems with Domino, low meta to high street:
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And that's with MORE training that you can get in your...10 minutes (or even less). The powers of Jean and X-Man in hands of noob would be just that... the powers of Jean and X-Man in hands of noob.

They weren't exactly "kings of the hill" in their beginner days.

The Bastion thing:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9415/warlockmtech06p17am8.jpg

The scan clearly says "He didn't have the power to sustain the transformation". It says nothing about being big or small, he can't stand being fully transmoded PERIOD.

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You've given nothing but meaningless bravado and hope that title "omega level mutant" would drag you out of the corner where you got yourself.

Ok, I'll counter her points as concisely as possible, before finishing with a couple posts of my own.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
[b]Post #8 (the previous one was 7th and not 6th as it labelled)

Mostly dealing with my own strategy.

The speed of telekinetic powers

Well, the speed Hellion can move objects (including himself) with his TK powers=Mach 60 at least.
The flight with TK works just like any other TK manipulation- as explained there.
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It's not like it separate power from anything else. Flying AND navigating on that speed= enough proof of ability to apply TK on those speeds.[/b]

That doesn't make sense at all... all he does is propel himself at super speeds in a straight line, and eventually crash into the ground. Hardly navigating. That doesn't mean he can do anything finicky at all... he doesn't demonstrate any reflexes there whatsoever.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel

Charlotte goes on to claim a whole lot of stuff, mostly that

a) Cable has lightspeed reactions... because Cable's firing something that travels instantaneously, and because he can use this force to manipulate objects, he clearly reacts at lightspeed.

I can shoot a bullet. I might even be able to hit a very specific target.

Can I think at bullet speeds then?

lol @ this whole bullshit rant.

Basically, if you believe that every TK user ever has lightspeed thinking and reactions, you believe her.

she also claims

b) speed of thought > speed of light (see her Flash scans)

So, she actually believes (apparently) that Cable thinks at speeds superior to C (the speed of light).

Anyways, lolz @ this entire scenario... no way can Hellion with Cable's skills react at Mach 60... it's really just Cable with a possibly bigger amount of TK... if you believe Charlotte's prep, that is.

If you believe that Cable can have his entire skillset, and all of his memories and abilities taken from him in minutes at most.

Emma Frost is good, but the belief that she can DL Cable's mind into hers at will is retarded.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel Here's him (still "full power but pre-Godlike" incarnation, thus on power level we're using there) fighting and PWNing Lightmaster, who is a legitimate lightspeedster.

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He wasn't outspeeded in the slightest there.

😂

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crylaugh

Are you insane? Do you actually read your own scans, or believe that I lack the most basic reading comprehension?

Let me describe those scans to you... the parts that are relevant, anyways.

Cable meets someone who can turn into light.

This person tears Cable to shit... the only reason Cable survives is because he has Deadpool's healing factor... the "gift" that he references".

The speedster stops to talk and gloat. Cable then uses his base to teleport that person to the moon, and concedes that they'll be back in seconds.

Cable has a conversation, they come back, then he reveals that he has a master plan that involves lots of prep not at all related to this match.

Then you claim that he was perfectly capable of keeping up with the speedster.

Wow.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel The supposed difference between "flight speed and fight speed" Smurph tries to create is meaningless there, as for telekinetics both are achieved by [b]the same means. It's irrelevant whether you're moving himself on "Mach impossible" speeds or doing it to the other things- it's all done via the same means.[/b]

Hellion can give himself a horizontal velocity of Mach 60 (let's say that estimate of yours is correct).

This doesn't mean he can react at Mach 60... only that he's powerful enough to propel himself at those speeds.

A fighter jet can travel super fast. That doesn't mean the pilot could navigate a maze in his jet at those speeds, nor does it mean he could react to an attack that quickly. But he does have the keys to a vehicle that can propel itself very fast.

Hellion has the "keys" to telekinesis that can propel things very fast.

Cable can do cool things relatively slowly.

Combining them (pretending that you'd be able to access anything inside Cable's mind) doesn't mean that he could react at the top speed that his telekinesis can propel things at.

Worst. Logic. Ever.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel [B]Blocking out psi-powers
I've shown the scans of TK blocking out Nimrod's energy output and quite frankly, I don't even need offensive TP to finish you off.
Proven- Nimrod can't block telekinesis, period. And Rachel isn't the best X-telepath skillwise, skillwise she always was far cry from Emma, Jean or Cable.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4342/newxmen02505da9.jpg
The scan you're using as proof. The telepaths can't detect a sentinel, that says nothing about him BLOCKING OUT their powers. He blocks it... from detecting him.[/b]

I'm sorry, where did you prove anything about Nimrod's ability to block TK?

Ignoring your baseless claims, Tony Stark and Reed Richards can both block telekinesis, and we have access to all of their technology, as we have their entire collection of memories relating to all things invention.

Nimrod can also counter any mutant power, and there's no reason he couldn't block telekinesis as easily as telepathy, nor have you proven that he couldn't.

The best that you did was post a scan of a robot that wasn't even Nimrod.

Oh, and FYI, this is the scan we're using as proof-

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1585/uxm194page18xs2.jpg

Nimrod doesn't block the TK there, because he hadn't deemed it necessary. If the fight hadn't ended as soon as Nimrod came out of the rubble unscathed, perhaps he would have blocked the TK. We don't know.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel In summary- putting the 0,5 km wide area around us in telekinetic stasis and THEN destroy your weaponry and what's left of your team after your suicidal prep IS VALID and you can't do anything about it.

Who's putting the 0.5 kilometer wide area around it in stasis?

Even if you had Cable's memories, you're giving them to someone who didn't have the control to lift a pencil, as you showed with your scans.

Cable at base was a lot better equipped, and Hellion's getting all this DL'd into him at super speeds- when the fight starts, he'll still be recovering from the blow to his head, and wouldn't be able to sort out any of his memories well enough to do anything with his powers, much less something as complex as telekinetic stasis.

And when has Cable EVER put anything in TK stasis? That was Nate Grey in your scans.

And, remember, there's no way Charlotte's team could even acquire enough of Cable's memories to do anything with them in the first place. She only has a couple minutes.

I had three more posts planned, but I’m gonna try to shorten it all down to one:

First, two small notes-

Magic

Charlotte claims that she can use all of Zatanna’s spells and all of Amanda Sefton’s spells, but her scans don’t correlate. She shows Amanda commenting that she’s learned a spell to say that all of Amanda’s magic could be learned by anybody, and she claims that anybody who can do magic can use Zatanna’s magic, despite Faust admitting that he needs Zatanna for it.

Frankly, I’m not even sure if Zachary Zatara’s memories were transferred to her team in the first place, and, if they were, it doesn’t mean that Faust would be able to use semantic magic as naturally as Zach… he’d still have to sift through recently aquired memories, if it would even work in the first place, despite him never using semantic magic.

In short, Charlotte’s plan remains consistent with the rest of her prep: no proof, lots of holes.

Elixir, Phalanx

I’ve answered all of Charlotte’s whining in previous posts.

We got Stem Cell via Black Box.
We can communicate with Elixir’s brain through tech, or amalgamate with him and do it ourself.
He doesn’t need to memorize genetic maps, as we’re 99.99% identical to each other in every way. He only needs to memorize one sequence of letters… and they’ll all be stored in Nimrod anyways.
If anything goes wrong, we can end it easily via Warlock and Elixir

I won’t even bother to debate it. I don’t care anymore, I’ve said it all before.

Now, for the actual purpose of this post:

Scenarios

Let’s go through each of the four extreme scenarios

Scenario 1: Judges don’t believe either of our preps

Then Nimrod and Bedlam can instantly emit Bedlam’s powers, and do so through a TK shield, which doesn’t prevent independent signals… meaning, Techpocalypse can turn off their powers as soon as he sees them, which will be instantaneous.

They won’t even have the precise TK ability to raise shields, as they won’t have Cable’s experience, so Hellion will likely crush his teammates due to his total lack of control:

Originally posted by illadelph12
What’s Hellion’s primary problem when operating on big league power levels? Lack of experience thus lack of finesse and big outbursts of raw power as pretty much the only modus operandi:
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Bedlam’s control, on the other hand, is top notch:

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And, given that he has Nimrod’s mental fortitude and response times, we’ll hit them hard and fast.

Scenario 2: Judges believe Charlotte’s prep and not mine

In this case, Bedlam will still curbstomp.

Charlotte’s admitted that Bedlam at normal size and power could reach a few square kilometers in area.

We start half a kilometer from them.

Under this scenario, we’re believing that Charlotte can summon TK shields, but it doesn’t really matter.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
[b]Misconception #12: They can TK shield against Bedlam’s powers

Bedlam uses his powers without putting them into a ray or a beam or a blast. He can affect things long range, just by thinking about them.

Demonstrates this with a helicopter:

And with a human brain (showing that we can actually shut off your powers far sooner than you would even attempt to shut off ours):

And none of that was in any form that could be defended against via TP or TK… not that I’m convinced that Hellion has the ability to defend against a special biological EMP like what Bedlam emits.

[/B]

So, we still tear them to shit.

Our attacks (TK and Bedlam) operate at the same speed- but Nimrod’s operating speed >>>> that of a human being.

So, yeah, we instantly shut off their powers and their brains. We can also hit them instantly with Cyclops’ powers and a variety of Nimrod’s powers, but Bedlam is the only thing necessary.

Scenario 3: Judges believe our prep and not Charlotte’s

and

Scenario 4: Judges believe both of our preps

In either of these cases, it’s a ridiculous curbstomp in our favor. At normal power levels, we beat a prepped Charlotte. In these scenarios, we’re given the power to equal suns, we’re given the telekinetic potential of X-Man, we’re given Phalanx bodies, and it’s all in the hands of Nimrod, who makes a living by being an expert with any power he adapts to have.

That’s the end of the match, folks.

Scans-only post #1

Processing speed of psychics

Cable
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Reacting on speedsters:
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Psylocke
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/996/speedofthoughtmh6.jpg

DLing information

Astrid Bloom, who was Emma's "sensei" in what comes to TP usage, being older and way more experienced, gets her lifetime experience and skillset assimilated in seconds:
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emmafrost1817rhs9.jpg

Current Cable (the one we've assimilated)=NO build-in psi-defences (especially in unconscious and beaten up state which is presumed in aftermatch assimilation stipulations).
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TK stasis fields with Cable
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Controlling EM energy via sophisticated TK
If you have the experience telekinesis at an atomic level, this also means control over energy and matter. Including the likes such as EM.

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Or out right repel Magneto’s EM internally.
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Phalanx

Cable submitted the Phalanx Embryo under full control. Yet he never showed the ability make tech on the fly. In fact, he seek out schematics or pre built items to make up tech through other means.

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Despite Warlock having studied Genoshan tech, he can only come up with a plan to escape. Not create instant tech, through schematics.

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Scans\links only post

Here's basically the links to validate mindsynches Oracle and my previous team mages had in prep (either via hivemind or by outright amalgamation).

Magik II (hivemind):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t494347.html
Zachary Zatara (amalgam):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t495377.html

Badabing wrote on Dec 24th, 2008 01:46 PM:
Okay, it's Christmas Eve and I'm not going to draw this out.

Char, great imagination as always and very specific with details.

Blair/Smurph, another solid prep plan and debate throughout.

I basically believed most of the prep. Some things I didn't see happening quite as strongly. I do think that given the prep and debate, Blair/Smurph not only covered their plan better but also cast more doubt on Char's prep and plan. Char seemed to use the same plans from previous matches which didn't pan out in those earlier rounds. And some of the scans/explanations left me with doubt and questions. I'm guessing that comes from posting in English rather than her native language, which is a shame because she speaks well. Make no mistake, Char's matches are always well thought and she does very well in the debates.

My vote: B-Dub/Smurph

Raoul wrote on Dec 28th, 2008 02:13 PM:
B-Dub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte

Hmm, this match was hard to judge, all right. Charlotte brought some fine arguments to the table, as did Smurph. One common thing that both debaters seemed to share though, was the tendency to over-reach with their arguments. Almost chancing their arm half the time, making claims that were a bit far-fetched, and hoping the judges might fall for it. Not saying its necessarily a fault, as both of them were in it to win, but i was sitting there for some of the statements thinking to myself "That's not right". And that was just the prep.

After reading more and more of the arguments, I honestly wondered if there was going to be an end to the reaching. There didn't seem to be, which disappointed me. I'm not trying to be condescending or anything, far from it. I just know that amalgamation is something i'm not a fan of, but i was looking at some of the arguments and thinking to myself "...seriously? that shit won't work...".

I probably sound like such an ass at this point, so i'm just going to calm it down a bit.

Both Charlotte and Smurph did, when it comes down to it, bring some fine debating to the table. Each post was filled with well written points and counter points, which more than out-numbered any sort of tomfoolery on their parts.

So now, it comes, at last, to the voting. For so long in this match, i'd literally be swayed by each post, not sure who to pick. Constantly going from side to side. Eventually, i came to a conclusion.

My vote is for Smurph's team.

Why? Well, for example, His tech power just seemed that bit more believable than Charlotte's soul stealing, which i felt he countered believably enough. Charlotte almost had it, but for one or two small pieces, which she didn't exploit well enough, imo. Smurph's plan just seemed more solid (but not by a whole lot, tbh).

and yes, i must sound like an absolute dick. Sorry... 😮