Originally posted by Wild Shadow
has cap ever done that hit someone between the eyes to paralyze the limbs these idiotic pressure hail marry attacks are all BS unless he has bn shown to produce that effect in comics.
...it was just over his eye...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4127/captainamerica116farworod2.jpg
(That's Cap in the aged body of the Red Skull.)
Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope I was wrong.......it was just over his eye...
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4127/captainamerica116farworod2.jpg(That's Cap in the aged body of the Red Skull.)
yes that is more likly then cyber slashing capt right?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......he was pretty much handed that on a silver platter. For one he was brought right to it, and two giant man pressure point would be easy as hell to hit, sicne it about 100 tiems bigger then normal humans.yes that is more likly then cyber slashing capt right?
Originally posted by darthgooberCap's shield is the ultimate defense
Originally posted by darthgooberand I'd be willing to bet that he has Cyber beat in speed/reflex/skill feats. One scratch may be all it'll take, but it's going to be tough for him to land that one scratch since Cap fights so much differently than Logan. Cap's not the type to try to take a hit to land one of his own against someone like Cyber the way that Wolverine is.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cyber's defenses are definitely tough to get past to tag him with the shield in the face, but that's just the kind of thing that Cap is good at. And if Cyber grabs the shield to take it away, Cap can do something like land a pressure point strike between the eyes to paralyse the muscles in his limbs.
this sounds like bias wishful thinking to me.........not trying to be mean but think about what your saying here.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's why I said "And if Cyber grabs the shield to take it away, Cap can do something like land a pressure point strike between the eyes to paralyse the muscles in his limbs". I meant that if Cyber grabs onto Cap's shield to disarm him(in which case both of his hands would be occupied and he'd be pretty close to Cap) Cap will capitalize on the opening. I was basically countering the whole "Cyber takes Cap's shield away and kills him" before it started.
For starters, the odds of capt landing such an attack is rediculous and he never done it vs anyone closes to cyber caliber.
secondaly cyber vastly stornger then capt he could take capt shield away with one hand, he have no need to uses both.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not better then havign yoru entire body ecpt a part of your face covere din adamatiumNot by any amoutn that would suggesdt he not getting hit. Logan does not let him self get hit by cyber, Logan cant due to the druggs on cyber claws and yet cyber still hits him. To think cap will some how not get it is kidna reidculous when some one jsut as good as him just as fast gets hit repeatedly by cyber.
Dude are you serous? even if capt was able to hit him in the face it would not KO him he taken class 75 ton hits and laugh at them. yes it more likly capt will land a pressure point on the the one open spot on cyber body then cyber will land a single slash......
this sounds like bias wishful thinking to me.........not trying to be mean but think about what your saying here.
Logan fights differently than Cap. Logan's style of fighting allows for hits, Cap's style of fighting tries to prevent them. Unless they've actually made a point of indicating that Logan's speed isn't enough to dodge around Cyber then Cyber tagging him doesn't mean all that much because EVERYONE land's hits on Wolverine during a fight. What's more, Cap's shield makes it far easier for him to get through combat without being hit than it is for Logan.
If the spots open because Cyber's got a hold of Cap's shield... yeah I'd say it's more likely. And isn't Strong Guy closer to 50 tons? And hasn't Cap's shield actually HURT Wonder Man(the 50,000 tonner)?
Don't worry about it, I freely admit that I'm biased towards Cap. It's just that I've seen enough to know that it well within his capabilities unless Cyber has some kick ass feats that I'm not aware of.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
For starters, the odds of capt landing such an attack is rediculous and he never done it vs anyone closes to cyber caliber.secondaly cyber vastly stornger then capt he could take capt shield away with one hand, he have no need to uses both.
If guys like Namor have a hard time with it, I seriously doubt that Cyber can do it with one hand. What strength feats does Cyber even have so we can establish how big the gap in strength is?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Except having a shield made of something better that can cover any part of your body 😉 .
Originally posted by darthgoober
Logan fights differently than Cap. Logan's style of fighting allows for hits, Cap's style of fighting tries to prevent them. Unless they've actually made a point of indicating that Logan's speed isn't enough to dodge around Cyber then Cyber tagging him doesn't mean all that much because EVERYONE land's hits on Wolverine during a fight. What's more, Cap's shield makes it far easier for him to get through combat without being hit than it is for Logan.
capt fairing better is wishful thinking.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If the spots open because Cyber's got a hold of Cap's shield... yeah I'd say it's more likely. And Isn't Strong Guy closer to 50 tons? And hasn't Cap's shield actually HURT Wonder Man(the 50,000 tonner)?
........are you really trying to say that capt can due more damage then havok blast or 75 tonner can produce?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't worry about it, I freely admit that I'm biased towards Cap. It's just that I've seen enough to know that it well within his capabilities unless Cyber has some kick ass feats that I'm not aware of.
For starters cyber regularly thrashed wolverine a man who has in aweaken state gave capt a blood clot and when mind controlled had capt pinned to the ground.
so are you trying to say capt is better then wolverine? becauses inorder for him to remain unhitt and KO some one wolverien has beenm repeatedly thrashed by he have to be a lot better which frankly he isent at all better let a lone a lot.
Cyber also regualry thrashed x-force and everyone elses he fought. The only reaosn he was even kill was due to his own fault.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He's used pressure points on numerous people. Has Cyber ever resisted a pressure point attack? I'm not saying that he'll go for that exact pressure point, I was just pointing out a useful pressure point Cap knows that would do the trick.If guys like Namor have a hard time with it, I seriously doubt that Cyber can do it with one hand. What strength feats does Cyber even have so we can establish how big the gap in strength is?
Namor also does not try and kill his opponents like cyber. Cyber will go in the fight to kill.
cyber like 30 tonner, he was vastly stronger then wolverine, who as strong at leats as capt.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
.....no it not......havign shield is not way better then having admatium covering pretty much your entire body.........
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes logan has made several points that he tries not to get hit by cyber due to the fact the druggs can and do work on him. He also foguht cyber with out his healing factor and cyber easily tagged him again.capt fairing better is wishful thinking.
I'd have to see the actual instances before I could accurately assess Cyber's speed if that's all you're basing it off of. But even if we accept that Cyber's fast enough to tag Wolverine, fact remains that he doesn't have a shield. Having a shield can radically change the amount of times you get scratched in a fight even if your opponent is equal to you in speed(which Cyber isn't).
Originally posted by Battlehammer
........are you really trying to say that capt can due more damage then havok blast or 75 tonner can produce?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
For starters cyber regularly thrashed wolverine a man who has in aweaken state gave capt a blood clot and when mind controlled had capt pinned to the ground.so are you trying to say capt is better then wolverine? becauses inorder for him to remain unhitt and KO some one wolverien has beenm repeatedly thrashed by he have to be a lot better which frankly he isent at all better let a lone a lot.
Cyber also regualry thrashed x-force and everyone elses he fought. The only reaosn he was even kill was due to his own fault.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No a single person of cyber caliber or skill level cyber doesent need to have, no ones ever landed one, and to assume capt can when capt has never done so to someone of cyber level is wishful thinking. let a lone for the majority. Capt done that pressure point onces, and hewas handed it on a silver platter by an unskilled fighter.Namor also does not try and kill his opponents like cyber. Cyber will go in the fight to kill.
cyber like 30 tonner, he was vastly stronger then wolverine, who as strong at leats as capt.
How does being willing to go for the kill mean that he'll be able to take Cap's shield away with one hand when he can't really go for the kill until he does it?
What feats does he have that place him as a 30 tonner? Because the one's Stiltman listed don't really put him there IMO.
