Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I have never seen iceman turn into energy before you have scans of this? As far as I am aware vision does not turn into energy either he increases and decreases his own density.
Neither have I. I cant specifically find the place where it says his true form is pure energy but I thinka nother poster mentioned it maybe he can find the scans.
What im saying is that sometimes his body gets destroyed and then he creates another body, if Hulk destorys the body or form he is in Iceman is energy. You know its like you kill a human being and then capture his soul because his soul is energy.
Im afraid I think this can only hint that maybe he has an eregy form because its staes that hes part of everything, its kinda cosmic talk if you know what I mean
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It kinda makes sense because he becomes one with a Celestial ship it kinda gives the impression if his form was just simply ice or air it wouldnt work.
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The problem is that even if he could absorb or contain Iceman it seems he can be in two places at once, so Hulk would hve to destroy everything.
The only way Hulk could win is if he keeps getting stronger to a point where his thunderclap literially destorys everything within the arena....but then....argh getting a headache.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot👆 👆 👆 👆
Iceman isn't just making it cold. He's halting kinetic energy, and he can do so until there's virtually no molecular motion i.e. absolute zero.Iceman isn't just encasing things in ice. He's halting the kinetic energy of the matter of things.
Hulk not going "Brrr" when it's winter means shit all.
It doesn't matter that Hulk is superuberawesomely teh strongerest!!1!!!1 Not everything boils down to a physical confrontation. 😐
Hulk vs Scarlet Witch.. dur Hulk's stronger than her, Hulk 10/10.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Isn't its possible to make a thunderclap that destroys on a molecular level?
it might be easier just to let the gamma energy thing do its work, as that's known to affect a pretty massive area.
I just don't think it's a 100% effective method against Iceman - he could reside in the moisture in Hulk's body.
this is why I think it'd take Surfer to get the job done, because he could instantly manipulate all the molecules (his own included) to trap/eliminate water/moisture, everywhere.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
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That logic fails totally because Hulks strength doesnt just work on a physical level. Im not saying he wins but the post seems to assume that all hulk can do is smash stuff.
Originally posted by janus77
I imagine it is, but I don't think Hulk/Banner knows much about manipulating the pressures he creates to that degree.it might be easier just to let the gamma energy thing do its work, as that's known to affect a pretty massive area.
I just don't think it's a 100% effective method against Iceman - he could reside in the moisture in Hulk's body.
this is why I think it'd take Surfer to get the job done, because he could instantly manipulate all the molecules (his own included) to trap/eliminate water/moisture, everywhere.
If Iceman resides as moisture in his body Hulk could absorb him like he did Vision.
Originally posted by janus77I totally agree
I imagine it is, but I don't think Hulk/Banner knows much about manipulating the pressures he creates to that degree.it might be easier just to let the gamma energy thing do its work, as that's known to affect a pretty massive area.
I just don't think it's a 100% effective method against Iceman - he could reside in the moisture in Hulk's body.
this is why I think it'd take Surfer to get the job done, because he could instantly manipulate all the molecules (his own included) to trap/eliminate water/moisture, everywhere.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If Iceman resides as moisture in his body Hulk could absorb him like he did Vision.
and Hulk has organs and blood and so he must contain/retain some degree of moisture...
I honestly don't know, I suspect the Iceman/X-men proponents are indulging in some degree of hyperbole with respect to Bobby's powers but at the same time, I can't think of any sure way for Hulk to beat a being that exists within all moisture.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
What other level can the Hulk's physical strength work on other than a physical one? 😬
He can physically hold and redirect energy, he can see astral forms, invisible beings etc.
When I say physically he can do more than just smash things.
Originally posted by janus77
perhaps, but would that qualify as a victory or a stalemate?
Iceman's not dead. technically he's just merged with Hulk no?and Hulk has organs and blood and so he must contain/retain some degree of moisture...
I honestly don't know, I suspect the Iceman/X-men proponents are indulging in some degree of hyperbole with respect to Bobby's powers but at the same time, I can't think of any sure way for Hulk to beat a being that exists within all moisture.
Well I dont know about KMc rules, but if hes trapped within his body then Iceman is helpless. *shrug*
Thing is if WWH keeps just emiiting massive amounts of gamma enrgy theres going to be no moisture at all.
but there would still be moisture within Hulk's body, thus Iceman would still exist.
as for whether or not that would count as a stalemate... he would effectively neutralise Iceman. I'd say that's a victory by most definitions but, if it's a "to the death" scenario, then it becomes a stalemate.
like say Juggernaut versus Flash - neither one's gonna be able to do the other one in, completely. yet we know Juggernaut isn't going to be much of a problem to Flash because he can work/walk around him, without Juggernaut ever laying a hand on him.
Originally posted by janus77
but there would still be moisture within Hulk's body, thus Iceman would still exist.as for whether or not that would count as a stalemate... he would effectively neutralise Iceman. I'd say that's a victory by most definitions but, if it's a "to the death" scenario, then it becomes a stalemate.
like say Juggernaut versus Flash - neither one's gonna be able to do the other one in, completely. yet we know Juggernaut isn't going to be much of a problem to Flash because he can work/walk around him, without Juggernaut ever laying a hand on him.
Hmmm....... true
