Pee-retcon Beyonder vs Lord of Nightmares

(u think this is crazy thread? well its meant to be crazy so THERE!)

Lord of Nightmares (from the slayer verse) : it's "omnipotent omniscient omnipresent". supposedly creates entire megaverses just by sneezing

vs

pre-retcon beyonder - supposed to be "beyond all creation" (whatever the hell that means - I mean he was in Marvel so he has to be part of a Marvel-something right? and his universe & race exists so it was created by something/someone right? eh, whatever)

Feat wise PR Beyonder FTW

am not sure how far they went in the manga but I have seem all three slayers title excluding the new Revolution one.

Lina could harness the power to destroy the universe by channeling the power for LON but LON had no feats to go by.

the best feat I have seen the power of LON was the Giga Slave and feat wise that was nothing compare to Beyonder

the thing with preretcon beyonder is...there's many like him, right ? he was suppose to be part of a race of omnipotent folx (the beyonders) so he's not unique...so that means someone unique must have made him and the others...but if it's not TOAA (since he's outside the multiverse and TOAA is multiversal only) then who is it ??? they never once spoke of it iirc 😕

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
the thing with preretcon beyonder is...there's many like him, right ? he was suppose to be part of a race of omnipotent folx (the beyonders) so he's not unique...so that means someone unique must have made him and the others...but if it's not TOAA (since he's outside the multiverse and TOAA is multiversal only) then who is it ??? they never once spoke of it iirc 😕

Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. It was said that she is the spark of creation. A force that has created 4 separate planes of reality<dimension if you will>ie Death Fog's realm , Ruby eye , Darkstar and the last one i can't remember.

Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does not have the feats to compete.

Also the Giga Slave the power of LON could not completely kill Darkstar

Originally posted by kgkg
beyonder was the beyond universe. He was everything OUTSIDE of marvel multiverse. [b]and this universe was many times larger than the the marvel Multiverse combined.

is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? 😛 they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)

is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? 😛 they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that

it's different than the 5d realm because Beyonder at that time was everything outside the marvel multiverse

and have you seen slayers the anime? good stuff

Pre-retcon Beyonder solos every other omnipotent being from every other company at once. With H2H.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so the combo (beyond-verse+multiverse) what was this called ? I mean it a bigger universe that encompass the smaller ones & it has to have a name cause it exists, right ?
(like the 5D realm suppose to be outside creation but it is part of DC-something...)

is it ultra-mega-marvelverse? 😛 they never said who made it or who made the beyonders & all that

Originally? Ore retcon wasn't a race I believe it as retconned to say he came from a race... It was just the beyonder... And to explain beyonder imagine the
Entirety of marvel or even DC if you will... Multiply that by a few million... And that represented beyonder...

Originally posted by rotiart
And to explain beyonder imagine the
Entirety of marvel or even DC if you will... Multiply that by a few million... And that represented beyonder...

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
(so basically he was the "real one above all" ? )
that's odd - he only appeared in Marvel comics 😛 there would've been some cameos in Slayers & DC & Image

he was a marvel construct... but... in the sense that marvel and dc multiverse are both about "equal" in terms of what they represent...

marvel wrote beyonder to represent the idea that he was millions of times larger than what marvel represented... hence since marvel was supposedly equal to dc... beyonder would have been millions of times larger then dc.

Beyonder wins.

He always wins.

Originally posted by rotiart
he was a marvel construct... but... in the sense that marvel and dc multiverse are both about "equal" in terms of what they represent...

marvel wrote beyonder to represent the idea that he was millions of times larger than what marvel represented... hence since marvel was supposedly equal to dc... beyonder would have been millions of times larger then dc.

btw was it said that classic beyonder was one of his kind? iirc they said he was part of a race of beings all like him that inhabit realm of beyonders...???

That was post-retcon.

so classic beyonder is all alone @ home? hes got entire universe just for himself?

PR Beyonder was NOT omnipotent. His power was even measured in finite levels - "millions of times greater than etc." and he was able to give half of it to Dazzler.

LoN is again a bit sketchy since the novels seem to imply she has limitations on chanelling her full power

Either way this thread is not allowed

SoulDevourer allows it 😈

they give very few specs on LoN's power (basically it's the god of slayers but it's an evil god) but from the little they say it's like he farts entire multiverses in his sleep -_-

Not evil, more like chaotic neutral

Apparently created an infinite multiverse/multiverses with alternate timelines (kind of uncertain)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
PR Beyonder was NOT omnipotent. His power was even measured in finite levels - "millions of times greater than etc." and he was able to give half of it to Dazzler.

Yeah, millions of times greater than the Marvelverse, which is itself infinite...what else would you call millions of times more than infinite?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
LoN is again a bit sketchy since the novels seem to imply she has limitations on chanelling her full power

Either way this thread is not allowed

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, millions of times greater than the Marvelverse, which is itself infinite...what else would you call millions of times more than infinite?

And the author outright said in the interview that he was omnipotent, like god before there was a gensis.

Interviews are a more efficiant source than misleading panels.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not evil, more like chaotic neutral

Apparently created an infinite multiverse/multiverses with alternate timelines (kind of uncertain)

5 time-lines, four "universes" --> four multiverses, a coherent idea.

- But new material confirmes that there are a infinte amoutn of universes.

5 time-lines, an infinite amount of universes --> one multiverse.

I severely doubted that the worlds were complete "universes" at all as they are as small islands on pillars in the sea of chaos (yes, the Slayers world is flat, not a sphere-shaped planet).

Originally posted by Enyalus
what else would you call millions of times more than infinite?