Batman Begins/The Dark Knight vs Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace

About two years ago I did a thread w/ CR vs BB. Now that both of their sequels out I believe these are two great origin stories with more than solid sequels. While the cast in Nolan's Batman films are more known to the general public, both CR/QOS had very good scripts IMO. This thread is so that we can compare their qualities. Again these are strictly the last two films of the Batman and Bond franchise, none of the others.

-Better franchise:
-Title:
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only):
-Better supporting cast:
-Better action:
-Better direction:
-Better script:
-Which franchise did you have more hype over?
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most:
-Other thoughts:

-Better franchise: Bond because Casino Royale is the best movie of all four movies.
-Title:Quantum of Solace is the best title, however it's the worst movie of them all.
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only):Craig is far better, Bale annoys me. I can't help but think how much Bale looks like a clean shaven inbred hick.
-Better supporting cast: Dark Knight wins this one. The cast was amazing.
-Better action: Dark Knight.
-Better direction: Dark Knight, it was a very admirable feat to direct such a movie.
-Better script:I guess Dark Knight. I thought both scripts were rather weak, except for Heath Ledger's dialogue.
-Which franchise did you have more hype over?I was more excited to see James Bond's QS.
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most:I'm looking forward to seeing the next James Bond over the next Batman. I hope the next Bond movie is better than QS, but it will be hard to top Casino Royale, that movie was perfect.
-Other thoughts:James Franco would make a great Joker.

Batman wins overall imo because Casino Royale was the worst Bond film ever made.

I hope my parents get me DK for Christmas. I doubt if I can wait to see it, though. uhuh

Originally posted by Darth Martin
About two years ago I did a thread w/ CR vs BB. Now that both of their sequels out I believe these are two great origin stories with more than solid sequels. While the cast in Nolan's Batman films are more known to the general public, both CR/QOS had very good scripts IMO. This thread is so that we can compare their qualities. Again these are strictly the last two films of the Batman and Bond franchise, none of the others.

-Better franchise:
-Title:
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only):
-Better supporting cast:
-Better action:
-Better direction:
-Better script:
-Which franchise did you have more hype over?
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most:
-Other thoughts:

Christian Bale, Batman Begins or the Dark Knight for all of them.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Christian Bale, Batman Begins or the Dark Knight for all of them.

Agreed. Without Batman Begins, there'd quite possibly be no Casino Royale and Bond 'reboot'.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Casino Royale was the worst Bond film ever made.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Batman wins overall imo because Casino Royale was the worst Bond film ever made.

Is that a joke? What about Die Another Day or Moonraker?

Anyway I'd say Batman beats Bond (and thats coming from a huge james bond fan). Casino Royale and The Dark Knight were pretty much equal in terms of story, acting, action, directing etc. except I have to say that I'm not a big Christain Bale fan. His acting could not carry that movie on its own, but thank god the supporting cast was excellent. Daniel Craig however, is most likely the best bond to date.

Quantum of Solace however, was not quite as good as Batman Begins due to its choppy editing and stupid plot/villain. But Batman Begins had some of the most god awful action sequences ever. It still wins though, by a bit

Originally posted by Bardock42
Christian Bale, Batman Begins or the Dark Knight for all of them.

Same 😉

Haven't seen Quantum of Solace yet, though, but I've heard a lot of mixed things about it.

I think these are close with TDK giving Batman a slight edge. That movie was pretty much perfect with very few mistakes. But so was CR I might add with the love story in the last act hampering it just a bit.

Now BB vs QOS are inferior to their partners BUT QOS is only a tad bit worse than CR IMO. However when I saw TDK it completely erased Begins for me.

And while I believe Bale is unfairly overshadowed im TDK Craig as Bond is perfect. There's no touching him.

I'd love to see a crossover with Craig's Bond going head to head with Ledger's Joker. Now that would be a head two man's punch.

"You wanna know how I lost my balls?"

Originally posted by Bardock42
Christian Bale, Batman Begins or the Dark Knight for all of them.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Batman wins overall imo because Casino Royale was the worst Bond film ever made.

WTF is wrong with you.

CR is the best. DAD is the worst.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
About two years ago I did a thread w/ CR vs BB. Now that both of their sequels out I believe these are two great origin stories with more than solid sequels. While the cast in Nolan's Batman films are more known to the general public, both CR/QOS had very good scripts IMO. This thread is so that we can compare their qualities. Again these are strictly the last two films of the Batman and Bond franchise, none of the others.

-Better franchise:
-Title:
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only):
-Better supporting cast:
-Better action:
-Better direction:
-Better script:
-Which franchise did you have more hype over?
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most:
-Other thoughts:

Better Franchise; Bond, because Casino Royale And the Quantum of Solace are just so badass.

Title; Dark knight, It is a daunting title.

Better supporting cast; Dark Knight, Joker owned that movie.

Better Actions; Quantum of Solace, i've never seen shit like that in an action movie before and i have seen almost every action movie ever made.

Better direction: Nolan, he single handedly saved the batman franchise and made superhero's cool again.

Better script; Casino Royale.

Hype; Batman

Which franchise makes me eager to see the third installment? Bond. I don't know how they will top the action in Quantum of Solace without going overboard into the territory that the previous bond films went...,CORNY.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
-Better franchise: Bond because Casino Royale is the best movie of all four movies.
-Title:Quantum of Solace is the best title, however it's the worst movie of them all.
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only):Craig is far better, Bale annoys me. I can't help but think how much Bale looks like a clean shaven inbred hick.
-Better supporting cast: Dark Knight wins this one. The cast was amazing.
-Better action: Dark Knight.
-Better direction: Dark Knight, it was a very admirable feat to direct such a movie.
-Better script:I guess Dark Knight. I thought both scripts were rather weak, except for Heath Ledger's dialogue.
-Which franchise did you have more hype over?I was more excited to see James Bond's QS.
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most:I'm looking forward to seeing the next James Bond over the next Batman. I hope the next Bond movie is better than QS, but it will be hard to top Casino Royale, that movie was perfect.
-Other thoughts:James Franco would make a great Joker.

what is the matter with you hiker?! You really think Quantum of Solace is a worse movie than Batman Begins?

-Better franchise: QOS compliments CR better than the Bat duo.
-Title: Bond
-Craig or Bale(in these roles only): Craig
-Better supporting cast: Batman
-Better action: Fight scenes-Bond Overall action-TDK had some of the illest stuff i've ever seen.
-Better direction: Batman
-Better script: Bond
-Which franchise did you have more hype over? Batman
-Which franchicse makes you eager to see the third installment the most: Probably Batman b/c Bond will always be semi-same whereas after TDK there will be a continuation. Whereas Bond 23 will be another mission.
-Other thoughts: TDK>CR>QOS>BB

Okay, I just saw Quantum of Solace. I must admit... I was pleasantly surprised. Sure, it's not as good as Casino Royale, but it's pretty freakin' awesome. Dominic Greene makes a much better villain than Le Chiffre (even though both aren't very memorable). Like Casino Royale, though, it's second half is much better than it's first half...

So.

Better Franchise: BatNolan. Casino Royale and Batman Begins are roughly on par, maybe with a small nod in Royale's favor, but The Dark Knight is better than both of 'em, and QoS is inferior to both of them. They're all great movies, though.
Title: Casino Royale
Craig vs. Bale: Probably Craig.
Better Supporting Cast: Judi Dench is great as M, and Eva Green does a goodl job as Vesper. These are the only notable supporting performances, though. Heath Ledger's Joker blows them to bits alone, and Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart, and Morgan Freeman all- at the very least- match them.
Better Action: Fistfights Bond, outside of that Batman.
Better Direction: Christopher Nolan, easily.
Better Script: This is quite difficult, actually, because I liked both of the scripts, but I gotta give it to Batman, mainly for Heath Ledger's lines.
Excitement: I wasn't all that excited for both of them a couple of months ago, until I saw the first images of the Joker. Since then, I was friggin' hyped. So TDK wins.
Third Installment: Bond, because I don't feel that a Bat-sequel can be made that will top TDK. Quantum of Solace is definitely top-able, though.

Good stuff!

I do have doubts as well that TDK can be topped.

It just seems tough to make another Batman movie and maintain the theme of escalation without losing some realism in the process, y'know what I mean?