Do you believe in demons?

Originally posted by Digi
prediction,

lol, you're going to hate me for nit picking, but...

Actually, I get what you are going for, however, calling it "prediction" as opposed to something like "precognition" might confuse it with some of the nearly paranormal things the brain is capable of doing.

The ability of humans to predict the outcome of events is uncanny. Without getting into too much depth, it is because of our ability to predict the sensory consequences to our actions that master boxers or martial artists are able to dodge blows in less time than it would take for them to process the attack through their visual system.

Originally posted by Gumachi
I believe they exist. They had sex with Earthly Women causing them to have Giant children. There are ones who rebelled against God(Fallen Angels)and the ones who are in the Abyss(Demons)who will be released(200,000,000 of them). Demons can enter inside and outside of men bodies(but they can be cast out).

where are the bones and evidence of the nephilim?..

i assume you are refering to the book of enoch

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
where are the bones and evidence of the nephilim?..

i assume you are refering to the book of enoch

The giants are in Genesis too. Their bones look like bone shaped rocks nowadays.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The giants are in Genesis too. Their bones look like bone shaped rocks nowadays.

Dinosaurs?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dinosaurs?

MOUNTAINS!!!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
MOUNTAINS!!!

😱 Well mountains are all over the place. Why didn't we notice before? 😄

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the "all" generalization keeps me from believing you .... sorry

i remember seeing a video about hunted train tracks where a bus full of children died.. ppl put a car in the middle of the tracks covered with baby powder. the car slowly moved up hill without having the engine on..
the car was examined and it had, hand prints all over the back of the wind shields bumper the size of children hands...

not saying it is real because i wasn't there but it makes me wonder..

About people who would park before the train track and set their cars in neutral. Then the cars would move over the train tracks on what looks like completely flat ground. People would then put baby powder on the back to reveal hand prints.

The show eventually goes unto to prove that the supposedly flat ground is actually at a slight, misleading angle that is just enough to allow gravity to move the stationary car.

As to the hands it was shown that all the baby powder revealed was the oil residue from people that had put their hands on the cars before. Cause you know people are always putting their hands across cars.

As to the question of this thread I do believe in forces we can not possibly begin to comprehend to even begin to test for.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know the video you speak of.

About people who would park before the train track and set their cars in neutral. Then the cars would move over the train tracks on what looks like completely flat ground. People would then put baby powder on the back to reveal hand prints.

The show eventually goes unto to prove that the supposedly flat ground is actually at a slight, misleading angle that is just enough to allow gravity to move the stationary car.

As to the hands it was shown that all the baby powder revealed was the oil residue from people that had put their hands on the cars before. Cause you know people are always putting their hands across cars.

As to the question of this thread I do believe in forces we can not possibly begin to comprehend to even begin to test for.

Dark matter and dark energy. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dark matter and dark energy. 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
Truly they are the demons. They even have dark in their names. 😛

😱 Evil Matter. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😱 Evil Matter. 😆

The psychological ones.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, you're going to hate me for nit picking, but...

Actually, I get what you are going for, however, calling it "prediction" as opposed to something like "precognition" might confuse it with some of the nearly paranormal things the brain is capable of doing.

The ability of humans to predict the outcome of events is uncanny. Without getting into too much depth, it is because of our ability to predict the sensory consequences to our actions that master boxers or martial artists are able to dodge blows in less time than it would take for them to process the attack through their visual system.

Clearly I meant precognition. Nit-picky d*ck.

😛

Originally posted by uknow_me72
So just what if? If you believe in God you believe in Angel's and Demons.

You heard of warlocks and witches before also, you heard of them making deals with them and using them for magic purposes.

Personal testamonys of various people have angels talk to them or demons, so why can't they be real. Is it you just don't know about them.

If you look at any off the occult work they can tell you about all the other magic and realms but none of them mention anything about the spiritual world. That is what the key is, and that is the entire existence of the world.

They don't tell you that cancer is a demon, they don't tell you that those voices in your head are other idenity's. These things are still there are you are available to acknowledge them because we are still in heaven.

oh wait those are ghost, they are unknown, we don't know much about them.... thats what they say.

Or one simply doesn't believe in any of that junk. There, problem solved.

😊

Btw, "If this, then that" statements rarely work well with religion, and also requires evidence for the "this" first, before anything can logically follow from it.

I'd like to believe there are angels and demons because that would mean we're not alone in this great big universe.

I've heard and read of eye witness accounts of demon possession and I've heard the logical scientific rebuttals to these accounts.

It doesn't really matter at the end of the day there is much that science can't explain and though religion seems to have all the answers, believing those answers demands a greater effort on our part than observing evidence would.

Reminds me of that quote by Jesus in the New Testament "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd like to believe there are angels and demons because that would mean we're not alone in this great big universe.

I've heard and read of eye witness accounts of demon possession and I've heard the logical scientific rebuttals to these accounts.

It doesn't really matter at the end of the day there is much that science can't explain and though religion seems to have all the answers, believing those answers demands a greater effort on our part than observing evidence would.

Reminds me of that quote by Jesus in the New Testament "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Which is a handy phrase for a religion that offers no evidence for itself.

🙄

Most theistic traditions have some similar doctrine or saying, because utterly blind faith is needed to accept any of it.

Saying that there's a lot science can't explain doesn't really cut it either. The amount of material where that saying still applies is actually rather small, and dwindling yearly. And saying that it can't explain everything doesn't make an alternative opinion true simply because it's different.

In other words, you can believe if you want to. But there still isn't a good reason to do so.

Sure there is.

No, there really isn't. You just lose nothing by believing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dark matter and dark energy. 😉

Uhh, Dark Matter can be tested for. It is a scientific concept, and so has proof (mostly observational conjecture at the moment) supporting the idea.

I have no idea what Dark Energy is/how it was proposed. My ignorance isn't a good enough reason to declare it unknowable though.

If something can be observed, then it can be tested. If something can't be observed (by instruments or the naked eye (or, I suppose, through its effects on other matter)) then there is no reason to suspect it exists.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
If something can be observed, then it can be tested. If something can't be observed (by instruments or the naked eye (or, I suppose, through its effects on other matter)) then there is no reason to suspect it exists.

Mathematics: The Ancient Conspiracy

Originally posted by Digi
Which is a handy phrase for a religion that offers no evidence for itself.

🙄

Most theistic traditions have some similar doctrine or saying, because utterly blind faith is needed to accept any of it.

Saying that there's a lot science can't explain doesn't really cut it either. The amount of material where that saying still applies is actually rather small, and dwindling yearly. And saying that it can't explain everything doesn't make an alternative opinion true simply because it's different.

In other words, you can believe if you want to. But there still isn't a good reason to do so.

I disagree. What you gain from religion is an evolutionary advantage. Remember the only reason religion exists is because those who believed in religion where able to survive and have children. In the past, religion was able to give people something that they needed to survive. I think we need to control and change religion to better meet the needs of the modern world.