Originally posted by Draco69I know Flash is way faster than sub-lightspeed, I'm just talking about this feat in question.
Which he did. He admitted his mistake. He also had the Flash being quite literally two places at the same time at opposite ends of the globe. He was a major Flash wanker.
Anyways, any proof of this admission? I'd just like to see it, since this isn't the first time I've seen this feat be debated over. It'd be cool if something official was done about it.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
You don't take either over the other, as they're both written word from the author.
Well, if you wanna take the illogical over the logical than by all means.
However, in the versus forum, the blog is right.
Wally was going XXX times the speed of light because we rule out PIS. Much less the author's ignorance to the fact.
Originally posted by Draco69So he can reach infinite speed, but can't keep up with Zoom when amped by other flashes?
In order to outrun Black Flash, Flash's speed was infinity since he outran time. He outran everything.Black Flash could run at any speed. Except infinity because Death isn't infinite.
Death isn't infinite, what does that mean?
Originally posted by Original Smurph
I know Flash is way faster than sub-lightspeed, I'm just talking about this feat in question.Anyways, any proof of this admission? I'd just like to see it, since this isn't the first time I've seen this feat be debated over. It'd be cool if something official was done about it.
You would have to go to the JLA boards and the Flash boards in the DC forums.
Flash fanboys were in uproar over the feat and Joe Kelly posted his apologies as he had no idea that Flash was actually moving that fast.
Writers such as Gail Simone and Kurt Busiek regularly post on the forums.
personally I think the KMC way of interpreting this event is to go by the numbers and feat...which means Flash was traveling at speeds vastly greater than light
KMC tends to snub writer intent since they give crap value to bios
bios are what set the intent for characters, after that writers can do whatever the hell they want with characters
if a 10 tonner lifts a tank that weighs over 60 tons, but since the writer didn't have a clue about what the tank weighs he wrote it like that. well on KMC, this character is now a class 60 because of this 'feat'...screw the fact that this guy was meant to be a class 10.
end rant.
Originally posted by Draco69Comics are based entirely around the illogical. They'd be pretty boring otherwise.
Well, if you wanna take the illogical over the logical than by all means.However, in the versus forum, the blog is right.
Wally was going XXX times the speed of light because we rule out PIS. Much less the author's ignorance to the fact.
In the versus forum, the author's word is still right... you can call the feat PIS or not, doesn't change the final ruling on Flash's speed, which is under lightspeed.
Originally posted by Mindset
So he can reach infinite speed, but can't keep up with Zoom when amped by other flashes?Death isn't infinite, what does that mean?
I don't know enough about Zoom. I would ask Galan.
Death isn't infinite has everything dies eventually. Light. Gravity. Everything. Nothing lasts forever. When everything dies, Death dies because that's the only the left to die.
Except Wally. He was infinite. He was running at infinite speed. So Death simply couldn't touch him.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Comics are based entirely around the illogical. They'd be pretty boring otherwise.In the versus forum, the author's word is still right... you can call the feat PIS or not, doesn't change the final ruling on Flash's speed, which is under lightspeed.
Uh, no in the versus forum. The feat matters not the author. Especially when the math's right there on paper.
PIS ignored, as the rules state, Flash was going XXX times the speed of light.
Originally posted by Draco69It was a rhetorical question.
I don't know enough about Zoom. I would ask Galan.Death isn't infinite has everything dies eventually. Light. Gravity. Everything. Nothing lasts forever. When everything dies, Death dies because that's the only the left to die.
Except Wally. He was infinite. He was running at infinite speed. So Death simply couldn't touch him.
Flash was still slower than Zoom after amping himself.
Originally posted by Original Smurphthere's a difference between illogical and inconsistent.
Comics are based entirely around the illogical. They'd be pretty boring otherwise.
having a guy flying around may be illogical but that's fine for comics.
but having a guy lift 10000000 tons one day and struggle to lift something less than 100 tons another day just pisses me off.
Originally posted by Mindset
It was a rhetorical question.Flash was still slower than Zoom after amping himself.
No idea why. I would ask Galen.
Seriously, nothing should be 'faster' than the Flash once he kicks it into high gear. Something can be 'as fast' but Flash is as fast as it gets.
I personally think it has to do with Geoff Johns, who writes brilliant stories but downplays the character's powers. Like Green Lantern.
Previously Flash was written by the likes of Grant Morrison and Mark Millar who've written the Flash as the speed god.
Originally posted by Starscream MWhat are you talking about?
personally I think the KMC way of interpreting this event is to go by the numbers and feat...which means Flash was traveling at speeds vastly greater than lightKMC tends to snub writer intent since they give crap value to bios
bios are what set the intent for characters, after that writers can do whatever the hell they want with characters
if a 10 tonner lifts a tank that weighs over 60 tons, but since the writer didn't have a clue about what the tank weighs he wrote it like that. well on KMC, this character is now a class 60 because of this 'feat'...screw the fact that this guy was meant to be a class 10.
end rant.
Originally posted by Draco69Death was running faster than Wally though...
I don't know enough about Zoom. I would ask Galan.Death isn't infinite has everything dies eventually. Light. Gravity. Everything. Nothing lasts forever. When everything dies, Death dies because that's the only the left to die.
Except Wally. He was infinite. He was running at infinite speed. So Death simply couldn't touch him.
He was catching up to Wally...
you know what the real problem is if you accept that feat for Flash?
basically it makes Flash an unbeatable, god. Every opponent, even Superman or Silver Surfer moving at multiples light speed or close to it, would be complete statues to Flash were he capable of such speed. For him to lose would require readers to accept that Flash is a complete braindead moron.
basically, it's if Superman had a feat where he clapped his hands and the universe collapsed onto itself. If you were to accept such a feat, then if Superman were to lose to anyone short of Spectre, it would strike disbelief.
Originally posted by I'm Branyou said writer's intent is > then what is actually shown on panel
What are you talking about?
so, for example, let's say a writer says Spiderman is a 10 tonner and then shows Spiderman lifting something well in the range of 100 tons.
Do you still limit Spiderman to class 10 or do you accept his feat and bump his strength class up based on the feat?
Originally posted by Starscream MI didn't say that.
you said writer's intent is > then what is actually shown on panelso, for example, let's say a writer says Spiderman is a 10 tonner and then shows Spiderman lifting something well in the range of 100 tons.
Do you still limit Spiderman to class 10 or do you accept his feat and bump his strength class up based on the feat?
You brought up a point about bios being the concrete stuff though.
If it happens occasionally, then it simply isn't 10 tons, and if it's 10 tons based on a bio, then who gives a shit? If the same writer who says that Spider-Man is a 10 tonner has him lifting a 100 ton object, then it's unintentional, and most likely not usable (nevermind that Spider-Man would be lifting 100 tons...).
Originally posted by Starscream MIf Spiderman consistently lifts things 100 tons we go by that.
you said writer's intent is > then what is actually shown on panelso, for example, let's say a writer says Spiderman is a 10 tonner and then shows Spiderman lifting something well in the range of 100 tons.
Do you still limit Spiderman to class 10 or do you accept his feat and bump his strength class up based on the feat?