Kiba vs Lee

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Please, don't start. If Zabuza was at full health and completely rested Kakashi would have beaten his ass silly with Sharingan activated anyway. Hell, the reason why he was weakened was because Kakashi had already beaten his ass silly.

Kakashi gained the upper hand with the summoning jutsu, which lacerated all his limbs, his neck, and several other places on his torso.

And if Kakashi with Sharingan can easily beat his ass when Zabuza is at full health...Why doesn't he?

Originally posted by Csdabest
They have near the same speed in base. and While Kiba can transform quicker. Lee is at a disadvantage cuz he wont have time to really transform .And Kiba nose is pretty good. He was the first to notice Madara when he spacetimed jutsu away. And was the first one to attack. And it was quite some distance away SO to say kiba isnt fast is kind of rediculous.

none said kiba isnt fast its just he is not as fast as lee. Plus all of the attacks kiba has shown besides transformation are dodgeable

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Not with Taijutsu.

Kakashi gained the upper hand with the summoning jutsu, which lacerated all his limbs, his neck, and several other places on his torso.

And if Kakashi with Sharingan can easily beat his ass when Zabuza is at full health...Why doesn't he?

For the same reason Kimmimaro didn't kill Naruto in a few seconds.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Not with Taijutsu.

Kakashi gained the upper hand with the summoning jutsu, which lacerated all his limbs, his neck, and several other places on his torso.

And if Kakashi with Sharingan can easily beat his ass when Zabuza is at full health...Why doesn't he?

Jaxx has a hard-on for the mist ninja. 313

😗 I thought that was for Broli.

j/k

Well, buff manly men in general. I don't quite know the obsession with Zabuza though, as he's relatively scrawny.

EDIT-

And I just checked those "lacerations" by the way. They're no teven that deep, first off. Second off, Neji had amassive hole put in his body only a few inches from his heart and was super low on chakra yet he still moved both of his hands so fast that both of his hands were blurs. Genin level Neji has greater durability than Zabuza?

Zabuza can't take Kakashi on in taijutsu, 3 tomoe Sharingan is too much of a haxx.

Do you know what the Sharingan does? Apparently not, It can bore into a persons mind and play tricks on them. That is why Kakashi won their first fight, well that and Naruto and Sasuke saving him fromt he water sphere. Kakashi and Zabuza were bascially equal at the time they fought, Why would they introduce a villian who Kakashi is alot better than to move the plot at that time?

As i said before there was no way Kakashi was going to die that early in the story, Zabuza was just a charcter to make Kakashi and the sharingan look good. Just like Haku was there to make Naruto look good, He wasn't going to win the fight.

Anyway Lee should be able to baet Kiba.

Zabuza being weaker than Kakashi because Kakashi's the main character is irrelevent. Kakashi is still stronger than he is.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Not with Taijutsu.

Kakashi gained the upper hand with the summoning jutsu, which lacerated all his limbs, his neck, and several other places on his torso.

And if Kakashi with Sharingan can easily beat his ass when Zabuza is at full health...Why doesn't he?

He kinda did though, during their first encounter.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
For the same reason Kimmimaro didn't kill Naruto in a few seconds.

He was held still by the dogs, and then was barely moving when fighting Kakashi, half-limping while swinging his sword.

Then, a few pages later after some of the fight has taken place off-panel, at some point Zabuza was stick in the arms, and shoulder areas with several kunai.

It was at this point when Kakashi was able to do that b!tch punch you like to go on about.

Oh and Kakashi himself disagrees with you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/31/18/

"You can't beat me in your current state."

A direct implication that Zabuza is presently too injured to have a chance at beating him.

Now, I never have said that Zabuza is stronger than Kakashi, only that in terms of Taijutsu Kakashi does not completely dominate Zabuza, if at all, they were equal the times they fought before, when both were primed, Kakashi won before through the use of the Sharingan and jutsus.

When were they ever "equal" in Taijutsu?

In both of their fights, Kakashi never unintentionally allowed Zabuza to land a single hit on him using Taijutsu.

And in their original fight, Zabuza did the same.

Kakashi never tried. ermm

I would say Lee I bet Lee could have even beat Sakon is the rescue the emo **** arc

The first kick Zabuza landed on Kakashi knocked him through the air and put him in position to be trapped in the water sphere, Maybe in the Naruto you people watched you didnt see that. Kakashi stated himself if Naruto and Sasuke didnt help him he would of died.

It the creator stats show that Zabuza is better than Kakashi then he is, why even discuss what the creator already stated? We all know Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura are the main charaters so they werent going to die early in the story and neither was Kakashi another popular character. Why didnt Haku just put Naruto and Sasuke to sleep and then help Zabuza kill Kakashi? In fact Haku was suppose to be able to kill or put his opponent so sleep with one needle so why didnt he?

In the second fight with Zabuza and Kakashi it wasnt really a fight. Kakashi again state that he knew Zabuza was the type of opponent who liked to clown around so Zabuza wasnt serious at first. Zabuza himself stated he wanted to toy with Kakashi before killing him as pay back from their first fight. After the dogs bit Zabuza's arms, back and legs he was done. It is also hard to fight a person who has mastered the Sharingan in a head to head fight just using taijutsu to began with.

I also mentioned this already. Zabuza was the first real villian on Naruto, Why introduce a villian who is alot weaker than the main characters? What would that prove? Zabuza was a elite Jonin and Kakashi was a elite Jonin. Zabuza would of won both fights if Kakashi wasnt saved in the first fight and if Zabuza didnt get to cocky and get bit in their second fight.

Either way Lee can beat Kiba.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Kakashi never tried. ermm

Oh yeah, and like the dude above me just said, Zabuza used Taijutsu to get him in a position to use the Water Sphere, trapping him.

But he let that happen, right? 🙄

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Yet you have no evidence to make such a statement other than the one time when Zabuza was weakened. 🙂

You're not being serious, are you?

I always thought that Kakashi was much stronger than Zabuza. I just figured Zabuza had the advantage during their fight because of his mist jutsu.