Punisher War Zone

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Its not insane you just dont agree with the point of view (Wether its the right thing to do is another issue).
2. If you had actually bothered to read my post properly or any Punisher apart from Einnis you would know he also does it to help other people.

Dodging important key issues rasied in a discussion and repeating what you said before is sure way to 'win' a debate.

I'm not trying to win a debate here.

I don't think there even should be a debate.

All I'm saying is that going on a world-wide, decades long slaughterfest as a response to a tragedy is not even remotely rational.

If you fail to realize that, then there is no way I can possibly convince you.

(As a side note, I have read Punisher other than Ennis, and with a few key exceptions, it's pretty damn terrible. Seriously, Angel-Punisher?)

Don't forget the stories done by Steven Grant & Mike Zeck in the 1980's; it was because of those the Punisher finally got his own monthly title(s). 'Return to Big Nothing' is still one of of my favourites - a very definitive take on him.

And don't forget Chuck Dixon with his run on the punisher War Zone Series.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I'm not trying to win a debate here.

I don't think there even should be a debate.

All I'm saying is that going on a world-wide, decades long slaughterfest as a response to a tragedy is not even remotely rational.

If you fail to realize that, then there is no way I can possibly convince you.

(As a side note, I have read Punisher other than Ennis, and with a few key exceptions, it's pretty damn terrible. Seriously, Angel-Punisher?)

I think this topic is too controversial for me to discuss, just to note though I dont agree with what he does.

IMO the real root of crime is poverty and broken families. Beating up or even killing criminals is not going to solve crime. You have to change society but of course the law is needed to do that.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think this topic is too controversial for me to discuss, just to note though I dont agree with what he does.

IMO the real root of crime is poverty and broken families. Beating up or even killing criminals is not going to solve crime. You have to change society but of course the law is still needed.

I'd agree with you there- there's a reason that states that have the death penalty also have the highest crime rates (Hint: it doesn't work as a deterrent).

But, seriously, going into a debate about the death penalty is a terrible, terrible idea, so lets end this one right here.

Originally posted by tjcoady

so lets end this one right here.

Indeed and get back to talking about this new 6 part series from Ennis.

Got part 2, Turns out the Ma Gnucci that we seen was a fake i've got a feeling someone cloned her or something crazy like that.