Does the Warrior madness actually increase his strength tenfold? I've heard some rather contradictory statements about that. (I don't have the comics where he used it anymore, so I can't check it out ATM)
I think the Power gem doesn't just suddenly increase it's wielder's strength 100 times and make him the strength personified, but I do believe it grants a boost, and then the wielder's able to draw more power as he needs it. An experienced user will be able to draw more(faster?) energy from it, but it still wont make him BEST EVAR in seconds.
I also don't think the one who wields the gem cannot be knocked out, that's like saying the Hulk cannot be knocked out.
That being said, I still think Thor takes this, as I don't really know much about the Aegis Entropy.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Thor with the PG doesn't have any feats to make me beleive he is>Supes in regards...he he isn't even hulk in terms of strength so yes he would overpower thor and using his speed do it very quickly.
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Originally posted by fangirl101
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Originally posted by Avlon
With a wave of it's hand, the Entropy Aegis turned Doomsday into slag.
Thor with the PG lost to a gun.
Once again Avlon comes up with the best argument for the pro-Supes faction.
But that DD was not the old team busting DD. That version of DD got owned by Superman and broke his claws on his chest.
Moreover, Supes has taken an entropy blast by Imperiex himself. I don't see any reason why WM Thor amped by the PG wouldn't be able to replicate that - especially considering the gem can grant invulnerability. Also, Mjolnir would be capable of absorbing the energy.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Once again Avlon comes up with the best argument for the pro-Supes faction.
Gracias. Always a pleasure my unseen friend. 😛
Originally posted by Enyalus
But that DD was not the old team busting DD. That version of DD got owned by Superman and broke his claws on his chest.
He was still pretty badass, owning Jonn, and everything else easily (as usual) and even beating Supes ass for a while. 2 problems though, that was Supes straight after OWAW where he got an upgrade, and Doomsday felt fear for the 1st time. Bad combination for sure, but has nothing to do with is durability. Fact is, owning any version of DD with a wave of one's hand is a bad ass feat.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Moreover, Supes has taken an entropy blast by Imperiex himself. I don't see any reason why WM Thor amped by the PG wouldn't be able to replicate that - especially considering the gem can grant invulnerability. Also, Mjolnir would be capable of absorbing the energy.
That was the insanely powered up sundipped version of Supes that doesn't have any bad showings. Who the writer himself said was virtually unstoppable. Unfortunately the PG has had so many users that we know it's far from the unstoppable weapon that it's supposed to be. When used correctly it's POTENTIALLY one bad ass weapon, but in actually, it's users have been owned time and time again.
As PG Thor didn't absorb the simple forcefield that Thanos gun encased him in, I don't see him absorbing an entropy blast that instantly slags him.
Originally posted by Avlon
He was still pretty badass, owning Jonn, and everything else easily (as usual) and even beating Supes ass for a while. 2 problems though, that was Supes straight after OWAW where he got an upgrade, and Doomsday felt fear for the 1st time. Bad combination for sure, but has nothing to do with is durability. Fact is, owning any version of DD with a wave of one's hand is a bad ass feat.
No doubt...issue with that is, DD should have been completely immune to John's blast. He was reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex himself. I think once they spliced his DNA with Kryptonian he's lost his adaptation abilities.
You wanna confirm or deny that for me?
Originally posted by Avlon
That was the insanely powered up sundipped version of Supes that doesn't have any bad showings. Who the writer himself said was virtually unstoppable.
I was referring to the blast Superman takes in an earlier AOS issue. You probably know the #. Where DD and Supes tear through the probes like nothing, then meet Imperiex, then he blasts DD to a skeleton and blasts Supes next. Supes survives but is thrown pretty far away before being saved by a boomtube.
Originally posted by Avlon
Unfortunately the PG has had so many users that we know it's far from the unstoppable weapon that it's supposed to be. When used correctly it's POTENTIALLY one bad ass weapon, but in actually, it's users have been owned time and time again.
Meh, I don't really agree. When Champion had it he was able to beat Classic Wonder Man, Thing, Sasquatch, Hulk, Thor, BRB, SS, Gladiator, Warlock, She-Hulk, Dumb Drax, etc. Easily. He even walks through Thanos' energy blasts. When Drax has it - during Infinity War for instance, he's standing there taking shots from Hulk and Thor without even flinching. Hell, when Titannia (sp) has it she solo'd the Avengers and Fantastic Four.
And we saw what Thor did to the Defenders and Infinity Watch.
Originally posted by Avlon
As PG Thor didn't absorb the simple forcefield that Thanos gun encased him in, I don't see him absorbing an entropy blast that instantly slags him.
Differences...one is a forcefield around Thor, the other would be a direct attack. In fact, when Thor has the PG gem and was taking down everyone he actually manipulates an energy attack and redirects it back to its sender.
Originally posted by Xzpunisher
Well an enraged Hulk overpowered WM Thor
However he didn't have the PG at the time
fail.
Originally posted by Avlon
With a wave of it's hand, the Entropy Aegis turned Doomsday into slag.
Thor with the PG lost to a gun.This is a no brainer. Aegis ftw.
He didn't lose to it, he was incapacitated for 15 minutes. Thanos stated that it would not hold him any longer and that it would not work a second time.
When you make posts like that, you're doing exactly the same thing that Quanchi does, trying to make feats come off as much lower than they actually are by ignoring context and using a particular set of words. You can come up with great feats for Superman so there should be no need to keep on lowbailing like this. This is not the first time I've seen you use comparisons like these either.
Are people actually arguing for Thor here?
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Originally posted by Kris BlazeWar awesome post!
fail.He didn't lose to it, he was incapacitated for 15 minutes. Thanos stated that it would not hold him any longer and that it would not work a second time.
When you make posts like that, you're doing exactly the same thing that Quanchi does, trying to make feats come off as much lower than they actually are by ignoring context and using a particular set of words. You can come up with great feats for Superman so there should be no need to keep on lowbailing like this. This is not the first time I've seen you use comparisons like these either.
Originally posted by EnyalusI was referring to the blast Superman takes in an earlier AOS issue. You probably know the #. Where DD and Supes tear through the probes like nothing, then meet Imperiex, then he blasts DD to a skeleton and blasts Supes next. Supes survives but is thrown pretty far away before being saved by a boomtube.
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Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He was saved by darkseid before he ever really got the brunt of the attack...if he would have stayed there he would have been a skeleton just like doomsday.
The artwork is pretty clear. He's hit with the attack and hurled backwards while on fire. Then the boomtube takes him.
Originally posted by EnyalusNo doubt...issue with that is, DD should have been completely immune to John's blast. He was reduced to a skeleton by Imperiex himself. I think once they spliced his DNA with Kryptonian he's lost his adaptation abilities.
[QUOTE=11394931]Originally posted by Enyalus
You wanna confirm or deny that for me? [/B]
It's never stated that he lost the adaptation, especially since he was still developing in later storylines. He only regressed at the end of the GOG storyline as a sacrifice for Supes. He was pretty badass in that story too..
Originally posted by Enyalus
I was referring to the blast Superman takes in an earlier AOS issue. You probably know the #. Where DD and Supes tear through the probes like nothing, then meet Imperiex, then he blasts DD to a skeleton and blasts Supes next. Supes survives but is thrown pretty far away before being saved by a boomtube. [/B]
Superman never got his with Imperiex's blast. He was boomtubed before Imperiex's blast hit him. DD wasn't so fortunate.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh, I don't really agree. When Champion had it he was able to beat Classic Wonder Man, Thing, Sasquatch, Hulk, Thor, BRB, SS, Gladiator, Warlock, She-Hulk, Dumb Drax, etc. Easily. He even walks through Thanos' energy blasts. When Drax has it - during Infinity War for instance, he's standing there taking shots from Hulk and Thor without even flinching. Hell, when Titannia (sp) has it she solo'd the Avengers and Fantastic Four.[/B]
That gem has still been around like a 2 dollar whore though, and there have been a lot of losses with it.
And we saw what Thor did to the Defenders and Infinity Watch.[/B][/QUOTE]
True, but it's not like they are giving it their all either. They wanted to restrain him, not kill him.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Differences...one is a forcefield around Thor, the other would be a direct attack. In fact, when Thor has the PG gem and was taking down everyone he actually manipulates an energy attack and redirects it back to its sender. [/B]
The energy had to get around Thor, entropic energy will just kill him instead of trapping him.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He didn't lose to it, he was incapacitated for 15 minutes. Thanos stated that it would not hold him any longer and that it would not work a second time.When you make posts like that, you're doing exactly the same thing that Quanchi does, trying to make feats come off as much lower than they actually are by ignoring context and using a particular set of words. You can come up with great feats for Superman so there should be no need to keep on lowbailing like this. This is not the first time I've seen you use comparisons like these either.
Did you ever consider that IMO, I'm NOT lowballing it? Or that maybe to me the whole idea that a POWER GEM holder was stopped by a FORCEFIELD gun is as stupid as Spidey beating firelord? Especially when Odin laughed off the same thing. Particularly when people are debating for THE POTENTIAL, while I'm debating THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON PANEL.
Nevertheless, it seems we agree on the outcome. However, before going into a slanderous rant, you could have simply send me a PM and check my reasoning for something.
15 minutes KO is a win in the forum, that gun was a win. A stupid one for a power gem user...but a win nevertheless.
Originally posted by Avlon
It's never stated that he lost the adaptation, especially since he was still developing in later storylines. He only regressed at the end of the GOG storyline as a sacrifice for Supes. He was pretty badass in that story too..
He was. For sure...but wasn't that set in 2032 or something? I mean at the beginning of the story, Superman even has that salt-grey in his hair.
Originally posted by Avlon
The energy had to get around Thor, entropic energy will just kill him instead of trapping him.
I still don't see why Mjolnir can't just absorb it.