Batman: Battle for the Cowl

Originally posted by willRules
KILL HIM!!!! I think we should do a story arc called Batman DOA where the new Batman is killed......by being impaled on Morrison's penis!!!!!

seriousness aside, I think it should be Bruce, failing that it should be Dick. I'm worried that they are gonna do a switcheroo at the last minute and Nightwing not be Batsy ❌

😆 😆

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No comment...

I know exactly how you feel.

Originally posted by Juntai
I saw in the new solicitations that Azrael is back in March.

Looking at the god awful costume I don't think thats Jean Paul Valley

Nobody will be Batman. Like Batman: RIP showed, and I'm sure Battle for the Cowl will further enforce, only Bruce can be Batman, and that's the way it will always be.

I find absolutley nothing interesting in Dick, Tim or anybody else (yes, even Jason Todd) being Batman. It's practically Nightwing/Robin/Red Hood in Batman/Bruce's costume.

Originally posted by Juntai
And Tim?
Goes the way of his 1990's kin?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Nobody will be Batman. Like Batman: RIP showed, and I'm sure Battle for the Cowl will further enforce, only Bruce can be Batman, and that's the way it will always be.

I find absolutley nothing interesting in Dick, Tim or anybody else (yes, even Jason Todd) being Batman. It's practically Nightwing/Robin/Red Hood in Batman/Bruce's costume.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker

Looking at the god awful costume I don't think thats Jean Paul Valley

The entire idea of someone replacing Batman is down right retarded! I refuse to play this game of "The Dating Game" and try to guess who is behind door number 2. It seems to me that for some strange reason people think that you evolve from Robin to Nightwing into finally Batman....WTF? This ain't Pokemon! Didio is full of it.

Now, of course this isn't the first time it's been tried and yes...it will fail and FAIL and FAIL everytime...the formula doesn't work.

Originally posted by Juntai
I like the look of it.

I wish they had brought Jean Paul's costume though..

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The entire idea of someone replacing Batman is down right retarded! I refuse to play this game of "The Dating Game" and try to guess who is behind door number 2. It seems to me that for some strange reason people think that you evolve from Robin to Nightwing into finally Batman....WTF? This ain't Pokemon! Didio is full of it.

Now, of course this isn't the first time it's been tried and yes...it will fail and FAIL and FAIL everytime...the formula doesn't work.

I absolutely agree..

I give DC 8 months to retcon everything and then Bruce Wayne will be back where he rightfully belongs

When Morrison says Bruce Wayne will never be Batman again then yeah, I'm gonna give it at least two years.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I wish they had brought Jean Paul's costume though..

I absolutely agree..

I give DC 8 months to retcon everything and then Bruce Wayne will be back where he rightfully belongs

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
The entire idea of someone replacing Batman is down right retarded! I refuse to play this game of "The Dating Game" and try to guess who is behind door number 2. It seems to me that for some strange reason people think that you evolve from Robin to Nightwing into finally Batman....WTF? This ain't Pokemon! Didio is full of it.

Now, of course this isn't the first time it's been tried and yes...it will fail and FAIL and FAIL everytime...the formula doesn't work.

Whilst I agree with you that Bruce shouldn't be replaced, I do think that this whole evolution of the sidekicks so to speak is a vital part of the Batman mythology as it represents the legacy aspect of the characters that is such a prevalent theme not just within the Bat family but many DC characters. If we assumed the characters aged like we did, we would want the successors to be Nightwing or Robin. It's logical, it's natural and it feels just darn right.

But on the whole as these characters are timeless, they should have just kept Bruce ✅

Originally posted by willRules
Whilst I agree with you that Bruce shouldn't be replaced, I do think that this whole evolution of the sidekicks so to speak is a vital part of the Batman mythology as it represents the legacy aspect of the characters that is such a prevalent theme not just within the Bat family but many DC characters. If we assumed the characters aged like we did, we would want the successors to be Nightwing or Robin. It's logical, it's natural and it feels just darn right.

But on the whole as these characters are timeless, they should have just kept Bruce ✅

But here Robin and Nightwing are not evolving WITHIN character...they're changing into an already establish evolved character. When Dick moved out of his Robin persona he created a newer character. In the Nightwing's mythology he's a level above Robin...he never intended to be "replacement" for Batman. He is his own unique myth.

Picture the Lone Ranger's mythos....if for some reason LR dies would you say that Tonto should replace him?

No...doesn't sound good, does it? So, yes! a character like Robin should be evolved....Nightwing is the peak. After Nightwing...that's it! You don't evolve from Nightwing to Batman...it's just flawed. Because as I mention...you cannot evolved into a character that is already establish...even more iconic for that matter.

Only Flashes & Green Lanterns get replaced for good.
(Or, it used to be the rule BD = Before Didio.)

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But here Robin and Nightwing are not evolving WITHIN character...they're changing into an already establish evolved character. When Dick moved out of his Robin persona he created a newer character. In the Nightwing's mythology he's a level above Robin...he never intended to be "replacement" for Batman. He is his own unique myth.

Picture the Lone Ranger's mythos....if for some reason LR dies would you say that Tonto should replace him?

No...doesn't sound good, does it? So, yes! a character like Robin should be evolved....Nightwing is the peak. After Nightwing...that's it! You don't evolve from Nightwing to Batman...it's just flawed. Because as I mention...you cannot evolved into a character that is already establish...even more iconic for that matter.

Originally posted by Vally Doosh

[insert happy smilie to substitude lost image]

🙂

Originally posted by Vally Doosh
Jason as Bats and Damian as Robin lmend nothing like Dan Didio

droolio

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But here Robin and Nightwing are not evolving WITHIN character...they're changing into an already establish evolved character. When Dick moved out of his Robin persona he created a newer character. In the Nightwing's mythology he's a level above Robin...he never intended to be "replacement" for Batman. He is his own unique myth.

Picture the Lone Ranger's mythos....if for some reason LR dies would you say that Tonto should replace him?

No...doesn't sound good, does it? So, yes! a character like Robin should be evolved....Nightwing is the peak. After Nightwing...that's it! You don't evolve from Nightwing to Batman...it's just flawed. Because as I mention...you cannot evolved into a character that is already establish...even more iconic for that matter.

Nightwing will change now however, because the real Nightwing is there.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But here Robin and Nightwing are not evolving WITHIN character...they're changing into an already establish evolved character. When Dick moved out of his Robin persona he created a newer character. In the Nightwing's mythology he's a level above Robin...he never intended to be "replacement" for Batman. He is his own unique myth.

Picture the Lone Ranger's mythos....if for some reason LR dies would you say that Tonto should replace him?

No...doesn't sound good, does it? So, yes! a character like Robin should be evolved....Nightwing is the peak. After Nightwing...that's it! You don't evolve from Nightwing to Batman...it's just flawed. Because as I mention...you cannot evolved into a character that is already establish...even more iconic for that matter.

1) Like Juntai established this is evolution for the characters. I disagree with the Lone Ranger analogy as even Nightwing was derived from a previous figure. I'm not saying Nightwing isn't new or unique as his own character, I am just saying, yes IMO Nightwing should be Batsy if the need were there. I agree with you that Bruce should stay, but that's clearly not gonna happen so I'm hoping Dick does as in my eyes it fulfills such a long standing father and son/legacy dynamic

2) I never claimed there was a hierarchy spanning from Robin to Nightwing up to Batman, perhaps you interpreted that from my use of the term evolution. However it makes sense in terms of succession and it seems logical and has a nice feel to it so I have no problem if that happens as long as I enjoy the story first.

3) Perhaps it's because I'm not a big Lone Ranger fan but I wouldn't be too overly concerned if he were replaced. I'm a big Captain America fan and I love Brubaker's run. If you'd asked me about the idea of Bucky replacing Cap several years ago I'd have said "YOU'RE CRAZY, BUCKY'S DEAD AND WILL ALWAYS BE, AND THEY WON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO KILL OFF CAP!!!"

Maybe we just disagree on our taste in the story concepts and if that's the case, well............ you're wrong 😛

...So, what's the point of the "Batman" forum, again...?

As Smurph put it the other time you cried about this ..

Originally posted by Kovacs86
That sounds pretty awesome. Though there is a Batman forum, you know. It's pretty annoying when Batman threads are stuck in this forum...

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I would never go into the Batman forum, and would consequently never see this thread, and might never buy the comic.

Now I will.

This forum gets more traffic, and anybody who's seriously annoyed can simply not go in the thread.

We have a Batman forum?

...

Fancy that.

Originally posted by Kovacs86
...So, what's the point of the "Batman" forum, again...?

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