Gladiator/w the Shi'ar empire on the line vs Superman/w Earth on the line

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Everyone points to the wheel feat lol.
1. Other beings were helping him. This fact can not be disproved.
2. He moved a gear part of a very large machine. So lets look what exactly a gear is... "A gear's most important feature is that gears of unequal sizes (diameters) can be combined to produce a mechanical advantage, so that the rotational speed and torque of the second gear are different from that of the first" if you don't trust wikipedia check out the Columbia encyclopedia "By meshing two gears of different diameters, a variation in both speed and torque between the two shafts is obtained"

With the facts presented, that wheel of mega-who the hell cares means little to nothing...

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
So it is a beatdown... but it's not gonna be easy... and it will take longer than normal...

Well, I'm convinced. 😕

alright I will reword it to better suit your needs. "GLADS will win, it will be difficult"

😄 There you go 😛at on head: run along now 😉

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Turning the gear was powering a solar system sized machine and no other beings were not helping him I have already disproved this the other guys never touched the chains were never shown to move the chains there is no proof they ever assisted or anything of the like and its not like thats his best feat,containing a blackhole from opening that was going to consume a solar system with pure physical strength would be,fact is superman is as fast or faster,has better durability,is as strong or stronger can amp with the sun and o yeah has t-vo to amp himself confuse gladiator for a sneak attack or downright rape his mind,supes wins.

Really then who were those little people touching it. As I explianed it's simple a gear or a larger whole. This might be a bad example but what the hell I will try for it. 1 Strong guy or maybe two can push a car while it's in neutral yeah? I did, seen people done this, anyway without the turning pieces (gears) in the car, I would have a chance at moving a car the weighed a few tons. Kinda get what I'm saying yet? (not being mean I just want to be certain please don't take it the wrong way). A gear can make something far larger alot easier to move.

The Black Hole feat is good. I have to look at that again. Then again think Glads can do the same if necessary.

I personally don't think T-Vo will work now will trying to mind rape Glads. I don't remember him every being effected that way. I would think Prof X would have done something to Glads on occasions where it would have benefited them.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Mageddon Wheel feat. Let's see something from Gladiator that tops that. Btw, the 3 person moving the earth feat? The reason it was 3 people was because they needed to make a slow careful movement, and numerous mages were stopping earthquakes, tides, etc from going crazy.

For another feat, how about the reaction feats from Up, up and Away?

The mag feat is so overrated that its ridiculous, he was tied to a machine that he was pulling engines so he basically was powering a machine with his strength not moving a solar system. Theres other reasons why I think the feat isnt more then what you all make it out to be but I'm going to leave it alone.

Someone that can move a planet can also move it slow, careful and easy. Just because you can move a planet dont mean that you have to move it at a fast pace every time.

Excuses. 🙁

Originally posted by Enyalus
No, his speed was never stated on panel.

Plenty of people go from one galaxy to another in a few panels. Dumb Drax even did similar. Nova (herald), too. That's just something the writers do to move the plot along. Its absolutely no indication of speed.

It most certainly is an indication of speed. How can it not be?

Originally posted by snyper1982
It most certainly is an indication of speed. How can it not be?

So basically you agree that vulcan is >>> superman when it comes to speed since he flew from one side of the universe to the other in less then a week.

Originally posted by carver9
So basically you agree that vulcan is >>> superman when it comes to speed since he flew from one side of the universe to the other in less then a week.

Don't know. How far away is the other side of the marvel universe?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Really then who were those little people touching it. As I explianed it's simple a gear or a larger whole. This might be a bad example but what the hell I will try for it. 1 Strong guy or maybe two can push a car while it's in neutral yeah? I did, seen people done this, anyway without the turning pieces (gears) in the car, I would have a chance at moving a car the weighed a few tons. Kinda get what I'm saying yet? (not being mean I just want to be certain please don't take it the wrong way). A gear can make something far larger alot easier to move.

The Black Hole feat is good. I have to look at that again. Then again think Glads can do the same if necessary.

I personally don't think T-Vo will work now will trying to mind rape Glads. I don't remember him every being effected that way. I would think Prof X would have done something to Glads on occasions where it would have benefited them.

You were right, that was a horrible example. If he is turning a large gear that is then turning a smaller gear, it would be HARDER to turn than 2 gears of equal size. It all depends on the machine, it's design, and how the gears are meshing up to determine how much force would be needed to turn the gear.

In your example, you wouldn't be turning the gears at all...

Originally posted by snyper1982
You were right, that was a horrible example. If he is turning a large gear that is then turning a smaller gear, it would be HARDER to turn than 2 gears of equal size. It all depends on the machine, it's design, and how the gears are meshing up to determine how much force would be needed to turn the gear.

In your example, you wouldn't be turning the gears at all...

I'm pretty confident, when a car is moving gears are being turned. Anyway, since you don't think it a correct example we can drop and later I can make another one so that you can better understand, since I'm seem to be failing to convey my meaning.

If we go by your logic, Superman specifically targeted a gear that would be more difficult for him to push in order to accomplish his task. The general purpose of gears is to make a task easier, it was not invented to be a burden.

But you did get one thing right that I agree on .. "how the gears are meshing up to determine how much force would be needed to turn the gear." We don't know how much force was actually needed. Was it enough to push a car? Or gaziillions of planets? I must assume that they reason why he chose to turn the gear instead of the whole wheel was because it is suppose to be easier. If the writer wanted the comic reader to believe that superman can move a object of such size, he would have Supes simply grab it and turn the wheel by himself, instead of trying to target a specific gear.

Do you agree with what I said above?

Originally posted by snyper1982
Don't know. How far away is the other side of the marvel universe?

The shiar empire is located trillion and trillions of light years away from earth, its on the other side of the universe, vulcan flew that distance on his own, under his own power in less then a week.

In most cases a portal is opened to get that far but again vulcan flew that distance.

Thats one of the highest speed feats in comics if we use your thought of it, space flight=speed.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I'm pretty confident, when a car is moving gears are being turned. Anyway, since you don't think it a correct example we can drop and later I can make another one so that you can better understand, since I'm seem to be failing to convey my meaning.

If we go by your logic, Superman specifically targeted a gear that would be more difficult for him to push in order to accomplish his task. The general purpose of gears is to make a task easier, it was not invented to be a burden.

But you did get one thing right that I agree on .. "how the gears are meshing up to determine how much force would be needed to turn the gear." We don't know how much force was actually needed. Was it enough to push a car? Or gaziillions of planets? I must assume that they reason why he chose to turn the gear instead of the whole wheel was because it is suppose to be easier. If the writer wanted the comic reader to believe that superman can move a object of such size, he would have Supes simply grab it and turn the wheel by himself, instead of trying to target a specific gear.

Do you agree with what I said above?

Gears maKe things easier but that's not to suggest that moving the wheels of Mageddon becomes anything like an easy task.

I think the writer made the significance of the feat clear with Martian Manhunter's shock at seeing Supes capable of moving the wheel and more evident, the strain it was putting on Superman as he was bleeding from his nose and mouth and his veins and every muscle appeared stretched almost to tearing point. Not to mention he was basically the labor force for the Mageddon machinery.

Originally posted by Allankles
Gears maKe things easier but that's not to suggest that moving the wheels of Mageddon becomes anything like an easy task.

I think the writer made the significance of the feat clear with Martian Manhunter's shock at seeing Supes capable of moving the wheel and more evident, the strain it was putting on Superman as he was bleeding from his nose and mouth and his veins and every muscle appeared stretched almost to tearing point. Not to mention he was basically the labor force for the Mageddon machinery.

That still dont suggest that he was moving something that had the weight of a solar system or even a planet.

You know, it could have just been that Maggeddon was exceedingly rusty. Being billions of years old and all could possibly do that. Rusty gears tend to be hard to crank...

Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, it could have just been that Maggeddon was exceedingly rusty. Being billions of years old and all could possibly do that. Rusty gears tend to be hard to crank...

You really hate Superman that much? 😬

Mageddon was built by the old gods, as in predecessors of the new gods. Not to mention it's power source was an anti-sun and it still saw fit to use Superman as a power source.

Mageddon was easily solar system sized given how big it appears from several light years away.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nice find DS! 👆

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Here's another,
Mageddon:

Originally posted by illadelph12
You know, it could have just been that Maggeddon was exceedingly rusty. Being billions of years old and all could possibly do that. Rusty gears tend to be hard to crank...

LOL, I love your sig, show nuff, it cant get no better then that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You really hate Superman that much? 😬

Mageddon was built by the old gods, as in predecessors of the new gods. Not to mention it's power source was an anti-sun and it still saw fit to use Superman as a power source.

Mageddon was easily solar system sized given how big it appears from several light years away.

We never said that is wasnt solar system size, what is in question is the weight that superman was pulling. It was never stated that superman had the weight of a solar system on his back, he was just the engine, something like a engine.

Good feat but its totally overrated.

Originally posted by carver9
We never said that is wasnt solar system size, what is in question is the weight that superman was pulling. It was never stated that superman had the weight of a solar system on his back, he was just the engine, something like a engine.

Good feat but its totally overrated.

The machinery he was pulling was described as endless. The endless millwheels of Mageddon.

Gears are meant to reduce work IIRC. This feat is fail.

As I said and recent posts seem to agree... there is no way for anyone to know exactly the weight he pulled. There is no quantifiable evidence that can show what kind of weight supes was struggling with. I mean it's a nice feat but ... it is not what alot of people make it out to be.

Yeah, I can't really see the merit in this feat. Mageddon was already active and operating, and all it did was shanghai Supes and make him it's servant and turn it's crank.

Supes became Mageddon's love slave... 😄