Gladiator vs Lobo

Originally posted by Juntai
So we associate only the ones you're cool with as acceptable feats, and the ones you don't like are "toon", or unnacceptable? lol.

Lifting a universe is an unquantifiable feat. It's completely badass, and obviously was meant to take a lot of strength... but it's unquantifiable. Dr Fate had a universe inside of his Helmet. I bet trying to fight in that thing is a complete pain.

Lobo lifting a universe with one hand was meant to be a strength feat, you know it and I know it.

It is even stated that Lobo is as powerful as the writer chooses for him to be, these out of the park Lobo appearances are what I call toon Lobo time, and he is often portrayed as being greater than Galactus, and nothing short of a high reality manipulator could take him... you know this and so do I.

As I said before Lobo when measured up to Superman, Captain Marvel, and Supergirl, is the Lobo that I am measuring up against Gladiator... and this Lobo would lose, he'd give him a decent fight, and even take a few depending on how drunk he is, but Gladiator would take the majority, just as Superman would.

Originally posted by Stoic
Lobo lifting a universe with one hand was meant to be a strength feat, you know it and I know it.

It is even stated that Lobo is as powerful as the writer chooses for him to be, these out of the park Lobo appearances are what I call toon Lobo time, and he is often portrayed as being greater than Galactus, and nothing short of a high reality manipulator could take him... you know this and so do I.

As I said before Lobo when measured up to Superman, Captain Marvel, and Supergirl, is the Lobo that I am measuring up against Gladiator... and this Lobo would lose, he'd give him a decent fight, and even take a few depending on how drunk he is, but Gladiator would take the majority, just as Superman would.

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If this was Superman vs Pagan, why do I get the feeling that you'd claim that the reason why SUperman would win is because he has many more powers than Lunatik?

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Lobo lifting a universe with one hand was meant to be a strength feat, you know it and I know it.

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It is even stated that Lobo is as powerful as the writer chooses for him to be, these out of the park Lobo appearances are what I call toon Lobo time, and he is often portrayed as being greater than Galactus, and nothing short of a high reality manipulator could take him... you know this and so do I.

It's pretty clear you have no real debate, you're wishing to pick and choose what feats you think are acceptable or not, nor are you actually debating against me in this thread... you're debating against an arguement you're trying to project onto me.

And Gladiator loses to one trick ponies. Remember Hulk smashing him?

Also, your enitre point of view seems based around him being Superman. Gladiator is not Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also, your enitre point of view seems based around him being Superman. Gladiator is not Superman.

A 'very confident' Gladiator, as specified in the OP, might as well be.

Ignoring cloning:

The REAL Lobo that was just recently released from his imprisonment in Hell sexually molests Gladiator in the bum area.

Projected Lobo gets beat.

Reign in Hell, takes place in DC mainstream, written by Lobo’s co-creator Keith Giffen. By the looks of it, they are making Lobo out to be closer to his self title releases. Considering the fact, you couldn’t ask for a more accurate portrayal.

The need to use all of hell forces to subdue Lobo, and the claim that his imprisonment is much more then what Blue Devil or Entrigan can handle are claims worth praising.

Feat wise (which is the bread and butter here in KMC), Lobo has plenty of them, to hold his own against a Gladiator in his best day.

The question is who more powerful among the two?
Lobo enraged or a confident Gladiator?

Glads

Originally posted by id369
Reign in Hell, takes place in DC mainstream, written by Lobo’s co-creator Keith Giffen. By the looks of it, they are making Lobo out to be closer to his self title releases. Considering the fact, you couldn’t ask for a more accurate portrayal.

The need to use all of hell forces to subdue Lobo, and the claim that his imprisonment is much more then what Blue Devil or Entrigan can handle are claims worth praising.

Feat wise (which is the bread and butter here in KMC), Lobo has plenty of them, to hold his own against a Gladiator in his best day.

The question is who more powerful among the two?
Lobo enraged or a confident Gladiator?

gladiator ftw...

Lobo

Originally posted by Juntai
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You're trying to project onto me.

It's pretty clear you have no real debate, you're wishing to pick and choose what feats you think are acceptable or not, nor are you actually debating against me in this thread... you're debating against an arguement you're trying to project onto me.

And Gladiator loses to one trick ponies. Remember Hulk smashing him?

Also, your enitre point of view seems based around him being Superman. Gladiator is not Superman.

No what I was stating is this, Lobo's feats are up and down, he's DC's Squirrel Girl. Most writers take no time at all to study his history; for example, Lobo canonically can no longer clone, this would make absolutely no sense. Let me explain it once again for those who may have missed a couple of steps.

In the 90's before Lobo died and went on to terrorize DC's version of Heaven & Hell, Vril Dox removed his cloning powers. When he came back he was virtually immortal, because neither place would take his soul.

Before Vril Dox removed his cloning power however, there was a clone of him running around the universe, these two met, and fought it out, one of them died. The thing here is that it had to be the clone, because the original lost his cloning powers, and could not effectively be killed. This is the reason why he does not possess this power any longer.

Writers who portray Lobo as having this power are wrong, and should perhaps be barred from writing Lobo in the future until they read up on the characters history. Lobo's ups and downs vary greatly to the point where you walk away scratching your head, with one question. Is this guy street level or Sky Father. I mean how can a guy that can lift a universe in one issue get nearly decked by a human that hits him with a sledge hammer in the next? Doesn't make sense does it?

If this is the Lobo from the L.E.G.I.O.N 9X series he would be a good match for Gladiator but he would lose.

Lobo

When did Lobo lift the weight of the universe with one hand? I've been looking for this scan, and I have yet to come across with.

If the scan can't be posted, a comic title + # would be suffice.

Originally posted by "Id"
When did Lobo lift the weight of the universe with one hand? I've been looking for this scan, and I have yet to come across with.

If the scan can't be posted, a comic title + # would be suffice.

Before you go thinking that Lobo is truly that badass, just remember that he also broke his hand when he punched Darkseid in the face. Seems kinda suspect if you ask me.

Originally posted by Stoic
Before you go thinking that Lobo is truly that badass, just remember that he also broke his hand when he punched Darkseid in the face. Seems kinda suspect if you ask me.

Gladiator is no Darkseid.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah because only Lobo has low showings good way to debate your point. Lobo rips Gladz head off then unfects the entire Shi'ar Empire with an virus that wipes them out just for kicks.

Gladiator 7-8/10 any day of the week!

Main Man, FTW.

Originally posted by "Id"
Gladiator is no Darkseid.

Well then again Superman never broke his hand on D's face, so what does that tell you? Gladiator also destroyed a planet in 3 punches, so it wouldn't be completely out of character for him to beat Lobo into dust. Just saying.

Originally posted by Stoic
No what I was stating is this, Lobo's feats are up and down, he's DC's Squirrel Girl. Most writers take no time at all to study his history; for example, Lobo canonically can no longer clone, this would make absolutely no sense. Let me explain it once again for those who may have missed a couple of steps.

In the 90's before Lobo died and went on to terrorize DC's version of Heaven & Hell, Vril Dox removed his cloning powers. When he came back he was virtually immortal, because neither place would take his soul.

Before Vril Dox removed his cloning power however, there was a clone of him running around the universe, these two met, and fought it out, one of them died. The thing here is that it had to be the clone, because the original lost his cloning powers, and could not effectively be killed. This is the reason why he does not possess this power any longer.

Writers who portray Lobo as having this power are wrong, and should perhaps be barred from writing Lobo in the future until they read up on the characters history. Lobo's ups and downs vary greatly to the point where you walk away scratching your head, with one question. Is this guy street level or Sky Father. I mean how can a guy that can lift a universe in one issue get nearly decked by a human that hits him with a sledge hammer in the next? Doesn't make sense does it?

If this is the Lobo from the L.E.G.I.O.N 9X series he would be a good match for Gladiator but he would lose.

But, I'll clear a bit of this up for you, because I'm feeling nice this morning.

They were writing Lobo as if he had his cloning powers for many years -most of this decade.. However, they just retconned this very recently into a fake Lobo 'possibly'[as it wasn't quite clear, this is my guess-timate with Neron being involved] being around since Underworld Unleashed, who actually had cloning powers, and the real Lobo only actually returned during Reign in Hell.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well then again Superman never broke his hand on D's face, so what does that tell you? Gladiator also destroyed a planet in 3 punches, so it wouldn't be completely out of character for him to beat Lobo into dust. Just saying.

That specific moment was used as a comic relief. Lobo doesn’t exactly break his fist with one punch on a regular biases. Yet he is stated to be Superman Level character, and like Gladiator Lobo has wrecked a planet as well.

He stands a fair chance of winning. His regen, damage soak, and immortality keeps in the game.

Or look at this way, Gladiator punched a planet to pieces. Good for him, Lobo in one occasion tanked a multi-planet wrecking blast.

Originally posted by Stoic
Before you go thinking that Lobo is truly that badass, just remember that he also broke his hand when he punched Darkseid in the face. Seems kinda suspect if you ask me.

Smh.