Elektra vs Blade

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again the point is that its not entirely strength.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. So you are now realising that its not a pure strength feat. If you want to use it to prove that shes more skilled than Blade that would be better.

2.I havent seen Cap do that either. I guess Elektra is more skilled than Cap or Daredevil for that matter.

I don't think I argue that skill wasn't involved. 😕
I simply never assumed that it was a skill exclusive feat, because... well you'd have to be a moron to believe that it was. 😬

2. It's entirely plausible and possible to be honest... Do you know Elektra has been superior to Matt in nearly every 1on1 they've ever had? I'm guessing not.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh well Blade has a similar feat against a beserk class 25 Spiderman.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im not really arguing that its not better my problem is using to prove that shes stronger.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only problem is that Wolverine, Captain America, Iron Fist, Daredvil and Shang Chi have never done that feat either. I guess she must be more skillful than all of them.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
More skilled is a better argument which is not what you were initially arguing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Did I say it was only skill? I said alot of it was probably skill as well so its bad to use it to prove shes stronger.

I don't see how it's bad to prove that she's stronger or more powerful when it's a feat that would require more strength or power than Blade has ever displayed...

Now IF you're inclined to believe it's because of skill, then the skill difference between the two is so massive that strength really wouldn't matter in a fight anyway.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah your right. Blade held off a beserk class 25 Spiderman, Elektra fought a class 10 SS.

25 tons > 10 tons.

I guess I should STFU.

ZOMG Wolverine's class 60, he punched rogue through a brick wall.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
1. Its not entirely strength.
2. So Blade holding off a beserk Spiderman is hyperbolic?
3. Holding off a class 25 Spiderman is better than holding off class 10 SS.

There was more than one feat given.
2-3. He punched him in the face.

"Ted and Drew are at the gym, they've spent winter break training for college wrestling. Drew tells Ted he's way way stronger than he was when they left. Ted says he's stronger than Drew and can prove it, he puts 425 pounds on the bench rack and presses the weight 6 times. Drew scoffs at this... He tell's Ted, check this out.. and proceeds to grab a cow by the ear and punch it in the face.......

Ted's reaction? > 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Holding off Spiderman therefore proves that Blade has superhuman strength and its better than holding of SS.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Holding off a class 25 Spiderman is a better strength feat than what Elektra has ever produced.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What on earth are you talking about?

Indeed....

It's simply hilarious to me that you try to discredit Elektra's feat of superiority to Blade's by comparing it to Cap's feats... which also outstrip Blade....

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So what are you trying to tell me he wasnt sing his strength now?

Yeah.....errrr..

You might wanna take two naps.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He kicked back Spider-man. Perhaps you three morons would care to explain to the viewing audience how Spider-man's strength factors into that in slightest? 🙄

There is no application of strength other then Blade being strong enough to repel something of Spider-man's weight... awesome?

You're talking to people who think Blade's strength is indicated by the grip strength of OTHER VAMPIRES he stakes in the heart when they aren't paying attention to him. 😬

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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That's some pretty serious language there champ! Maybe you should take a nap, you seem pretty testy?

I hadn't even read this when I wrote my reply... See I'm not the only one who thinks you need to go to bed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
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Yeah... thought so.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
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seriously man! This is Spiderman we are talking about her my friend. For one thing, Spidey Berserk or not would easily kill Elektra, Blade being able to go toe to toe with Spider-man even subdue him now and than is very impressive. Elektra, well not so much.

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Spiderman wasn't in his right mind, fighting a vampire hunter who could exploit his weaknesses... BLADE wouldn't be able to handle a berserker Spiderman... A vamped out Spidey? that's a different story....

And what exactly makes you think Elektra couldn't deal with Spiderman? DD has a competetive record with Spiderman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Seriously though... your argument is that Spider-man jumps with all the maximum strength he posses? That he takes off the ground like a missile at his targets? Yeah... um... no? He jumped maybe30 feet of the ground... hardly a class 2 (every street has done similar) feat let alone a class 25. 🙄

I really dont think the writer thought about it in that much detail. However if you are a bloodlusted vampire with class 25 strength with the intent to kill you're going to be moving as fast as you possibly can, you're not going to hold back.

A class 25 person jumping with the intent to kills momentum > class 1 momentum

The distance a person moves is not always consistent with how much force is applied Wolverine has been punched by class 100s and hardly gone anywhere. Does that mean they werent using full force punches.

i am so confused... i know to side with blade but the wolverine team are right about providing comic facts and feats to support ones pick, which leaves blade out alone in the cold because he really doesnt possess many showings.

the animal part of me tells me to run with the pack.

Team Wolverine is still running o hopes and dreams?

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am so confused... i know to side with blade but the wolverine team are right about providing comic facts and feats to support ones pick, which leaves blade out alone in the cold because he really doesnt possess many showings.

the animal part of me tells me to run with the pack.

The problem is that Elektars feats dont even neccesarily rpove shes better. Cpatain America has never thrown a sai like Elektra has, does that proves shes more stronger and more skilled than Blade? Nope. Has Wolverine done it...nope.

Hell it might rpove that she is more lethal with throwing a sai...but thats it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The problem is that Elektars feats dont even neccesarily rpove shes better. Cpatain America has never thrown a sai like Elektra has, does that proves shes more stronger and more skilled than Blade? Nope. Has Wolverine done it...nope.

not sure about cap replicating her feat, but i know wolverine has done it in the past throwing a broken sword through a man and another sword through a flying plane into the gas tank in world war two when he was in spain with puck.

now that i think about it cap has thrown his shield threw vehicles and other similar things.

but again if its just based on what blade should be capable of doing and assuming he can then blade should win.

if is just based on supporting ones statements i have to side with elektra

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
not sure about cap replicating her feat, but i know wolverine has done it in the past throwing a broken sword through a man

Through a mans gun and through 2 levels of kevlar and flesh? Hell Blade has made a stake push back a vampire that overpowered Spiderman.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

and another sword through a flying plane into the gas tank in world war two when he was in spain with puck.

and you think thats as hard as making a sai go through several inches of metal and 2 layers of kevlar, because its not. PLanes arent bulletproof, kevlar is.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

now that i think about it cap has thrown his shield threw vehicles and other similar things.

Caps shield is indestructible. Elektas sai is not.

i dont think elektra is stronger then blade but he has no real showings of him being a class ten to 15 to support his ranking.

elektra i think is strong for her size you add her ninja skills to the blend she should be capable of simulating what appears as a strength increase after all it is comics.

but again if its just based on what blade should be capable of doing and assuming he can then blade should win.

if is just based on supporting ones statements i have to side with elektra

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i dont think elektra is stronger then blade but he has no real showings of him being a class ten to 15 to support his ranking.

What has that got to do with anything. They are using said feats to prove shes stronger and as you know its illogical.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

elektra i think is strong for her size you add her ninja skills to the blend she should be capable of simulating what appears as a strength increase after all it is comics.

Maybe, maybe not

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

but again if its just based on what blade should be capable of doing and assuming he can then blade should win.

if is just based on supporting ones statements i have to side with elektra

So far the only proof they have provided is Elektra blocking class 10 SS and Elektra throwing a sai. How does that prove anything when:

1. Throwing a sai could be more a skill feat than strength. Even if you want to prove that she is more skillful its illogical because Wolverine and Cap havent done it either and im pretty sure most people think that Wolverine and Cap are more skillful.
2. Blocking a sai from SS, hell Punisher has stopped himself from being strangled to death by an upgraded Tombstone that fought Luke Cage (class 25). I guess Punisher is stronger than Elektra and Blade...nope.

Please respond none of the evidence that they have provided is conclusive.

Originally posted by jinzin

And what exactly makes you think Elektra couldn't deal with Spiderman? DD has a competetive record with Spiderman.

Not really, at one point DD himself knows that he can't handle Spider-man.

Originally posted by jinzin
I wouldn't disagree with your statement, but the comparison isn't a fair one given the fact that B-balls and spears are nowhere near as heavy as a shotput and spears are designed for travelling distance.
(Even given the fact that I've seen shotput throws that heavily outstrip basketball ones.)

True the sai doesn't weigh much, but the fact that the sheer force of it's impact into the gun berrel did what it did.... you don't through a toothpick throw a lightpole without some strength on ya.

In any case it's only one example of Elektra's strength, other would also support she's vastly strong..
Or maybe that's a bad way of putting it. She can do superhuman feats based on her ability to chi manip.

Stopping sams strength, moving faster than the eye can track 10 feat underwater with no leverage, blocking machine gun fire without spinning her blades, and even deflecting/richocheting gunfire with her bare hand... She simply has superior feats to Blade in every category aside from simply being a vampire. 😬

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Blade's stronger or anything. He's SUPPOSED to be, but that just doesn't cut it. Until he gets some better feats, he's not much more than a peak human IMO

The throwing feat is a superhuman feat, (as logic defying it is) but not a strength feat. It's a testament of her "super"speed/hand speed, I definitely wouldn't be want to be punched by her.

I do think Blade's a really skilled opponent (especially with swords and dagger like weapons) so I don't think this is a mismatch.

Do you have the scans for the Silver Samurai fight, or at least the issue number? I don't think I've seen that one.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Elektra blocked an overhead strike from a class 10 SS and then pushed him back. Blade punched Spider-man.

Wolverine has done pretty much the same thing, while weakened.
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Originally posted by jinzin
Who cares? Because the point doesn't denote that in spite of whatever skill was used so was a tremendous amount of strength. More than Blade has displayed.... But you can carry on ignoring what you don't like as well....

Ok prove to me the ratio of skill and strength, if you dont know then you cant prove shes stronger.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't think I argue that skill wasn't involved. 😕
I simply never assumed that it was a skill exclusive feat, because... well you'd have to be a moron to believe that it was. 😬

Neither did I.

Originally posted by jinzin

2. It's entirely plausible and possible to be honest... Do you know Elektra has been superior to Matt in nearly every 1on1 they've ever had? I'm guessing not.

1.Are you serioulsy trying to tell me that Elektra is more skilled than Cap based on that sai throw?
2. Yeah this was discussed in other threads and other posters were lambasting you for taking things out of context. Even if shes shown to be better than DD, its still not conclusive, some Mas do better against certain opponents. You can post scans of the fights if you like.

Originally posted by jinzin

What? grabbing his shirt and punching him in the face? Yeah.... No he doesn't....

Its Spidermans momentum vs Blades.

Originally posted by jinzin

And yet, it's not the only example that was used. 😕 Now you tell me what part of forcing organic material through bullet proof material doesn't require strength.

If you are talking about the sai throw I never said it didnt require strength.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's not a problem as once again, she very well may be.... She has winning records against Wolverine, and DD and has shown an equivolent level of skill playing with Shang Chi before her rebirth and half of her training... 😕

Please post scans of Wolverine vs Elektra fights im pretty sure in one of them Wolverine wasnt at his best and was learning his MA again. Considering that Shang Chi was sitting down he actually looked better.

Blade has done well against an upgraded Deacon Frost that punked Morbius in one move. I suspect that Morbius has given Spiderman a hard time. Doesnt Spiderman have good showings against Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang Chi?

Originally posted by jinzin

You've certainly implied it enough to make the inference. Or was the Bullseye comparison because of his well known physical strength. 😕

Er no I mentioned Captain America as well and I even said that it didnt just require just strength in black and white. If you went to misintepret it after I have said on numerous ocassions its just doesnt require skills thats up to you.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't see how it's bad to prove that she's stronger or more powerful when it's a feat that would require more strength or power than Blade has ever displayed...

Prove the strength to skill ratio.

Originally posted by jinzin

Now IF you're inclined to believe it's because of skill, then the skill difference between the two is so massive that strength really wouldn't matter in a fight anyway.

Neither, Cap, DD, Wolverine or Shang Chi have done it. It doesnt prove that shes stronger than any of them or even skillful for that matter.

Originally posted by jinzin

Because sending organic tissue through bullet proof vests doesn't display strength, but punching someone in the mouth does! thumbsup

ZOMG Wolverine's class 60, he punched rogue through a brick wall.

No even sure what you're on about here. Never said that the sai throw didnt involve strength. I guess you could be talking about another Elektra feat.

Anyway Punisher has held off a beserk Tiger Shark underwater and stopped an upgraded Tombstone from strangling him, not sure if thats conclusive proof that hes stronger than Elektra but according to your logic he is.

Originally posted by jinzin
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DD has a competetive record with Spiderman.