Elektra vs Blade

Started by jinzin77 pages
jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
okay look a normal everyday human cannot compare to a normal low level vampire. However, Cap, DD and Wolvie could easily take down a normal Vampire, without any enhancements or training. Now with that being said, Blade dispenses with lower vampires all the time. However, he has also taken down mutated vampires, magically enhanced vampires, demons etc
That doesn't make him automatically stronger, faster, etc than high tier streeters like Cap.

Wolverine fights bricks all the time and has a winning record, that doesn't make him a brick.

Spiderman has a record of giving herolds a run for their money, that doesn't make him a herold.

In order for Blade to be faster/stronger/ etc than these guys he needs FEATS that dictate him to be faster/stronger/etc... He doesn't have them yet. 😬

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Ok, but Blade has shown to be highly skilled, mix in his vampire traits and he's gonna be hard to beat.
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I'm not arguing his high skill level. I'm arguing against his physicality which he HASN'T proven to be superior to the characters we're talking about.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Baron Blood was a typical vampire, he just wore a suit that helped him walk during the day iirc.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't know if I entirely agree with that. but okay, if you want to consider depictions than they matter right?

Blades depiction doesn't befit one who's superior to Cap.

tell me, if a man hunts a lion does he need to be stronger than the lion?

if he hunts a lion with bare hands, yeah (ie kraven)

if he hunts a lion with a gun, yeah he is more powerful than the lion (but isn't stronger)

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Originally posted by jinzin
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I'm not arguing his high skill level. I'm arguing against his physicality which he HASN'T proven to be superior to the characters we're talking about.

Daywalker Blade has appeared in only 45 issue, you need to cut him some slack as he has a nice array of feats in those limited appearances.

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
That doesn't make him automatically stronger, faster, etc than high tier streeters like Cap .

bios get strength levels wrong but I havent seen one example of marvel universe stating sombody was superhuman and them not being superhuman.

Originally posted by jinzin

Wolverine fights bricks all the time and has a winning record, that doesn't make him a brick.

Spiderman has a record of giving herolds a run for their money, that doesn't make him a herold..

Not but it means that they are both impressive.

Originally posted by jinzin

In order for Blade to be faster/stronger/ etc than these guys he needs FEATS that dictate him to be faster/stronger/etc... He doesn't have them yet. 😬

What feats do other opponents have that are better? Kinda seems like an assumption.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
1 Captain Marvel would own any Kryptoninan. 2 Blade is not simply superior because he is a vampire. Tons of heroes could match average vampires. It is Blade's special training, weapons, Daywalker abilities, combined with the fact that he is a super strong vampire that makes him so deadly.
I'm not sure what's so hard to follow here. His skill isn't being argued, his training isn't what's being argued either. The question was posed about vamp physicality in the MU... Blade isn't automatically stronger than character who have better feats than him just because he's a vampire. That's ludicrous.

Silent Guardian Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
That doesn't make him automatically stronger, faster, etc than high tier streeters like Cap.

Wolverine fights bricks all the time and has a winning record, that doesn't make him a brick.

Spiderman has a record of giving herolds a run for their money, that doesn't make him a herold.

In order for Blade to be faster/stronger/ etc than these guys he needs FEATS that dictate him to be faster/stronger/etc... He doesn't have them yet. 😬

I am only arguing he is better than Elektra in this thread, even though I do not consider Elektra fully human, especially with the whole coming back from the dead thing.

Still, you are misunderstanding me. I would argue Blade is comparable to Cap. and Wolverine, but not better they all have different skills and abilities from each other. However, I would argue that Blade is better than Daredevil.

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman has a record of giving herolds a run for their money, that doesn't make him a herold.

what? since when? 😕

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Daywalker Blade has appeared in only 45 issue, you need to cut him some slack as he has a nice array of feats in those limited appearances.
None of which support your theory that he's superior in physicality to guys like Cap. No slack needs be cut, facts would have to be straight up ignored to give him the benefit of the doubt concerning something he needs to prove before you can argue about it like it's a fact.

carnage52 Restricted

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
1 Captain Marvel would own any Kryptoninan. 2 Blade is not simply superior because he is a vampire. Tons of heroes could match average vampires. It is Blade's special training, weapons, Daywalker abilities, combined with the fact that he is a super strong vampire that makes him so deadly.
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Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Baron Blood was a typical vampire, he just wore a suit that helped him walk during the day iirc.

I actually think you're right there. I cant see anything that specifes that he was stronger than an average one. I have read somewhere that the strength of vampires can very but theres nothing to say that BB was stonger than your average vamp.

snoopdogg Big Pimpin

Cap realizing that his strength will be overwhelmed by Baron Blood's rising strength as the sun goes down.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
bios get strength levels wrong but I havent seen one example of marvel universe stating sombody was superhuman and them not being superhuman.
But you HAVE seen human titles plaed on people who are far exceeding the human category.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What feats do other opponents have that are better? Kinda seems like an assumption.
Srank posted a shitload of feats in the DS blade thread which hasn't been answered.

Silent Guardian Senior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not sure what's so hard to follow here. His skill isn't being argued, his training isn't what's being argued either. The question was posed about vamp physicality in the MU... Blade isn't automatically stronger than character who have better feats than him just because he's a vampire. That's ludicrous.

It all depends. I am not arguing that, he is stronger than Captain America and a few other heroes, but heroes with simply human strength and know other enhancement besides exercise. Blade is definitely stronger.

Punisher is the perfect example. Punisher is like a human blade. And Blade is like Punisher at the next level with vampire abilities. This is a vague comparison, obviously the two have different styles.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Starscream M
what? since when? 😕
Since knocking thor off a building, bumrushing masterson thor, koing firelord, giving SS a hard time on several occassions.

I'm not condoning any of that crap, just stating that if you fight and even beat someone who's on another level, it doesn't automatically put you in the same tier.

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
But you HAVE seen human titles plaed on people who are far exceeding the human category.

Yeah but not the other way round. I dont think ive ever seen sombody classified as peak human overpower a superhuman on strength alone. So it not unfair to think that Blade could be superor by a small margin.

Originally posted by jinzin

Srank posted a shitload of feats in the DS blade thread which hasn't been answered.

Snoop just posted of scan which proves that BB was stronger than Cap. BB had typical vampire strength and Blade is said to have all the traditional powers of a vampire. So thats strength at least proven.

carnage52 Restricted

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
It all depends. I am not arguing that, he is stronger than Captain America and a few other heroes, but heroes with simply human strength and know other enhancement besides exercise. Blade is definitely stronger.

Punisher is the perfect example. Punisher is like a human blade. And Blade is like Punisher at the next level with vampire abilities. This is a vague comparison, obviously the two have different styles.

hmm. you sort of expressed that blade could take down someone on his level of skill just cause he's a vampire/daywalker.he just doesnt have the feats to demonstrate how he would beat someone as skilled as him or even more so just for him being undead.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
It all depends. I am not arguing that, he is stronger than Captain America and a few other heroes, but heroes with simply human strength and know other enhancement besides exercise. Blade is definitely stronger.

Punisher is the perfect example. Punisher is like a human blade. And Blade is like Punisher at the next level with vampire abilities. This is a vague comparison, obviously the two have different styles.

I agree with this post but it isn't really what was being discussed when Starscream posed his question 😬

Starscream M Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Since knocking thor off a building, bumrushing masterson thor, koing firelord, giving SS a hard time on several occassions.

I'm not condoning any of that crap, just stating that if you fight and even beat someone who's on another level, it doesn't automatically put you in the same tier.

if you are not condoning that crap, then why state it?

PIS is a bad example

otoh, if someone can beat another being consistently (ie not one time luck), then why shouldn't they be on the same tier?