Originally posted by Robtard
Must you really do that, I know you love to hate on Hulk when AC is around, but at least do it intelligently.People have posted valid examples that Hulk isn't a drooling idiot. If anything, counter those examples to prove your rants.
It is true. THe more influence Banner has on Hulk, the smarter he is but the weaker he is and vice versa. Only time that wasn't was with WWH.
Hulk is never "weaker", just less unhinged and thus, less likely to get madder and then stronger.
He still has enough controlled strength to beat most people in a fist fight.
Wait, why are idiots considering that this is a credible thread? This is why the Vs Forum failed. People could come up with the most mismatched of fights, but if one person repeated a dumb opinion enough, people would start deeming it acceptable.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Mindless
Savage
Grey-Yes Joe can talk but he is no genius.
War Hulk
He doesn't need to be a genius. There's a massive gap between genius and idiot.
Joe is sly and the rest aren't "idiots", just maniacs. There's a chasm of difference.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Smart versions
Phulk
WWHMaestro doesn't count seeing as he is an alternate version of Hulk.
They're all alternative versions of Hulk, in a way.
Secondly, despite me having proven your argument wrong; let's go with World War Hulk, then.
You're suggesting he would lose this fight? Are we descending that far into blind Hulk-hate?
-AC
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It is true. THe more influence Banner has on Hulk, the smarter he is but the weaker he is and vice versa. Only time that wasn't was with WWH.
I used a verifiable example from the movie(as you said this is movie Hulk) to prove he has both intelligence and cunning, yet you ignore and continue the nonsense. Why do you do that?
What's especially funny, this is no longer a Vs. fight, as there isn't anything anyone can (intelligently) bring up where the T-1000 would win here, nothing, so it's turned into a "lets point out made-up flaws about the Hulk" argument. Fine, the Hulk is a drooling fool, yet he wins this fight easy.
Originally posted by Robtard
I used a verifiable example from the movie(as you said this is movie Hulk) to prove he has both intelligence and cunning, yet you ignore and continue the nonsense. Why do you do that?What's especially funny, this is no longer a Vs. fight, as there isn't anything anyone can (intelligently) bring up where the T-1000 would win here, nothing, so it's turned into a "lets point out made-up flaws about the Hulk" argument. Fine, the Hulk is a drooling fool, yet he wins this fight easy.
Biting something and spitting it back isn't really cunning and smart when the same monster yells at thunder and his chick has to calm him down.
I have already said this is a stalemate.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hulk is never "weaker", just less unhinged and thus, less likely to get madder and then stronger.He still has enough controlled strength to beat most people in a fist fight.
Wait, why are idiots considering that this is a credible thread? This is why the Vs Forum failed. People could come up with the most mismatched of fights, but if one person repeated a dumb opinion enough, people would start deeming it acceptable.
He doesn't need to be a genius. There's a massive gap between genius and idiot.
Joe is sly and the rest aren't "idiots", just maniacs. There's a chasm of difference.
They're all alternative versions of Hulk, in a way.
Secondly, despite me having proven your argument wrong; let's go with World War Hulk, then.
You're suggesting he would lose this fight? Are we descending that far into blind Hulk-hate?
-AC [/B]
1. His base strength is dependant on which incarnation of Hulk it is like Fixit being the weakest who is only a B-List brawler and can't even contend with the Class 100s like Ms. Marvel, Juggernaut, Titannus or Sentry.
2. They are idiots. The Juggernaut is a maniac, he can speak clearly, and is aware of his actions and his opponents, yet he is an unrelenting physical force of power.
Savage Hulk "Hulk not, bag of hammers!" something he said after Rulk compared his intelligence to a bag of hammers.
Throwing Juggernaut and only having his helmet left in his hands deduces that he just ripped the guys head off, thinking that the helmet in his hands was his head this entire time. Having to be tricked into breaking someone's armor, having to be taunted into bracing a mountain. The same Hulk that got punched by Captain Britain and started crying. Idiots can't speak a complete sentence, maniacs can. Carnage is a maniac.
3. They aren't alternate versions seeing as they are all a part of his 616 continuity. Maestro isn't because he comes from a different timeline. Alternate versions in the comic world does not mean a different persona or anything of the sort.
Secondly I thought I proved you wrong seeing as I had to correct you on who we were debating about. Also I thing WWH would BFR T1000 10/10 because he is smart and strong. Never said WWH would lose so don't try to put words in my mouth or bring up Hulk's strongest incarnation to justify a win here when movie Hulk should be the one being debated.
Why is it a stalemate? Because you can't accept that Hulk would win?
Dumbest comeback ever. "That's not smart because he also did something dumb.". You could go and get a science degree, but these posts would still be dumb.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
1. His base strength is dependant on which incarnation of Hulk it is like Fixit being the weakest who is only a B-List brawler and can't even contend with the Class 100s like Ms. Marvel, Juggernaut, Titannus or Sentry.2. They are idiots. The Juggernaut is a maniac, he can speak clearly, and is aware of his actions and his opponents, yet he is an unrelenting physical force of power.
Savage Hulk "Hulk not, bag of hammers!" something he said after Rulk compared his intelligence to a bag of hammers.
Throwing Juggernaut and only having his helmet left in his hands deduces that he just ripped the guys head off, thinking that the helmet in his hands was his head this entire time. Having to be tricked into breaking someone's armor, having to be taunted into bracing a mountain. The same Hulk that got punched by Captain Britain and started crying. Idiots can't speak a complete sentence, maniacs can. Carnage is a maniac.
3. They aren't alternate versions seeing as they are all a part of his 616 continuity. Maestro isn't because he comes from a different timeline. Alternate versions in the comic world does not mean a different persona or anything of the sort.
Maestro is considered, by the community of readers, to be an alternative Hulk, in a broad sense, first off.
Hulk not being logical doesn't mean he's an "idiot" though. He is battle smart, he knows precisely what he needs to know about how to beat someone. The T-1000 does nothing outside of its mission, it's simple minded, it isn't even MINDED. It doesn't necessarily have a mind, so is it also an idiot?
Regardless, this is off topic as it's comics. We're discussing movie, that's my bad.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Secondly I thought I proved you wrong seeing as I had to correct you on who we were debating about. Also I thing WWH would BFR T1000 10/10 because he is smart and strong. Never said WWH would lose so don't try to put words in my mouth or bring up Hulk's strongest incarnation to justify a win here when movie Hulk should be the one being debated.
How is that proving me wrong? WE got side-tracked.
There have been plenty of arguments here that counter YOUR arguments and the arguments of others regarding Movie Hulk's intellect, fact. You consider it a stalemate because you just don't agree, but it's fact. It's not disagreeable.
-AC
Slow night tonight...so I went back to my old box of comics from the Hulk.
As said before Banner>>>>>The Hulk.
Well what do you know? The Bloody Speedfreak putting the hurt on TEH HULK!
Remember earlier when I said Hulk is so friggin stupid he would just open his mouth and the T-1000 would deep throat him with a blade. Here you go (that's the smart Hulk...now picture the idiotic Hulk)
Good night and Happy New Year EVERYONE!
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Slow night tonight...so I went back to my old box of comics from the Hulk.As said before Banner>>>>>The Hulk.
Well what do you know? The Bloody Speedfreak putting the hurt on TEH HULK!
Remember earlier when I said Hulk is so friggin stupid he would just open his mouth and the T-1000 would deep throat him with a blade. Here you go (that's the smart Hulk...now picture the idiotic Hulk)
Good night and Happy New Year EVERYONE!
That's off topic, we're discussing movies.
First, Banner isn't better than Hulk is he? Let's be honest.
Secondly, way to prove how massively uneducated you are. Speedfreek fought him, sliced his stomach open, then what? Hulk held his guts in, healed over his own hand. Ripped it out, re-healed and then beat Speedfreek within an inch of his life.
That last frame doesn't prove a lack of intellect. Professor Hulk is Banner's pure mind, so you can't say Banner rules and then say he's an idiot.
Did you ignore that or do you have the world's largest collection of pages where Hulk LOOKS like he's being beat?
How pathetic. A box of comics regarding a character you try to pick apart and assassinate at every opportunity.
I wish I could save you, but unfortunately you're just too far gone now, frail and really pitiful. Like a cancer patient.
And still, I've received no reply from you, and no counter argument, on topic about Movie Hulk Vs the T-1000.
T-1000 wouldn't win, ever. Nobody has any reason to why he should or could.
So now, do your job like the moderator you still are, and stop posting off-topic spam. You obviously didn't quit like you said you would, so either do the job or don't. You set the single poorest example of anybody.
-AC
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Biting something and spitting it back isn't really cunning and smart when the same monster yells at thunder and his chick has to calm him down.I have already said this is a stalemate.
He specifically bite off the warhead, you know, the part that goes boom. Clearly showed intelligence, cunning and battle savvy. Do you seriously think it was just a raging idiot who just happened to get lucky?<--- please answer this. The scene with the tanks is another example of intelligence, cunning and battle savvy.
And you have yet to back it up. The T-1000 has no way of bringing down the Hulk, let alone seriously harming him. The Hulk with his ever increasing power the longer he fights/madder he gets, has options which could end the fight.
Unless you have something to counter that, stop making unfounded remarks and just accept that it's a one-sided fight with the Hulk having the ability to win.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Slow night tonight...so I went back to my old box of comics from the Hulk.As said before Banner>>>>>The Hulk.
Well what do you know? The Bloody Speedfreak putting the hurt on TEH HULK!
Remember earlier when I said Hulk is so friggin stupid he would just open his mouth and the T-1000 would deep throat him with a blade. Here you go (that's the smart Hulk...now picture the idiotic Hulk)
Good night and Happy New Year EVERYONE!
Comic Hulk isn't being debated here and everyone knows that Banner isn't better than Hulk, if he was then he would have no problem controlling him also, that is Professor Hulk that is losing which is his 2nd weakest incarnation and not the normal savage one.
Originally posted by Robtard
He specifically bite off the warhead, you know, the part that goes boom. Clearly showed intelligence, cunning and battle savvy. Do you seriously think it was just a raging idiot who just happened to get lucky?<--- please answer this. The scene with the tanks is another example of intelligence, cunning and battle savvy.And you have yet to back it up. The T-1000 has no way of bringing down the Hulk, let alone seriously harming him. The Hulk with his ever increasing power the longer he fights/madder he gets, has options which could end the fight.
Unless you have something to counter that, stop making unfounded remarks and just accept that it's a one-sided fight with the Hulk having the ability to win.
I'm just saying that he also has parts that counter his intelligence like yelling at thunder and not knowing what it is. Betty had to calm him down when he heard it. What genius do you know that screams at thunder?
I've already stated that this is a stalemate seeing as neither can seriously hurt the other. Hulk's punches won't do much and his only means of victory is BFR for Hulk and T1000's only means of victory is outsmarting him which he could do. I kind of think he could just liquify and enter his body and kill him from there, but that is a little extreme so I'm not going to stress that point. Hulk's strength is not the key factor in this fight, he is fighting regenerating liquid metal that has no sense of pain unless he is getting burned. He can punch him all day and he'll just regenerate.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it a stalemate? Because you can't accept that Hulk would win?Dumbest comeback ever. "That's not smart because he also did something dumb.". You could go and get a science degree, but these posts would still be dumb.
Maestro is considered, by the community of readers, to be an alternative Hulk, in a broad sense, first off.
Hulk not being logical doesn't mean he's an "idiot" though. He is battle smart, he knows precisely what he needs to know about how to beat someone. The T-1000 does nothing outside of its mission, it's simple minded, it isn't even MINDED. It doesn't necessarily have a mind, so is it also an idiot?
Regardless, this is off topic as it's comics. We're discussing movie, that's my bad.
How is that proving me wrong? WE got side-tracked.
There have been plenty of arguments here that counter YOUR arguments and the arguments of others regarding Movie Hulk's intellect, fact. You consider it a stalemate because you just don't agree, but it's fact. It's not disagreeable.
-AC [/B]
I already stated that Maestro is an alternative version of Hulk. I'm not disagreeing there. I also stated why this is a stalemate.
Now you've changed it, never said 'Hulk is a genius', just that he has intelligence, which I supported with certain scenes of the movie. Besides, there's a huge area between mindless animal and genius. Could the Hulk play a game of chess? No. Is the Hulk smart enough/cunning enough to outwit his [smarter] opponents? Yes, he has shown that.
What scenario could the T-1000 do in outsmarting Hulk that could bring him down?
How is he going to kill him from the inside, when the edged weapons he makes aren't strong enough to cut the Hulk? You can argue that the Hulk's internals are weaker than his skin, sure, but are they weak enough considering the Hulk survived a gamma (nuclear+) bomb? There's also the chance that the Hulk's digestive acids could destroy the T-1000.
Yeah, but the Hulk has possible options, while the T-1000 has none. HE could throw the T-1000 into orbit, which would freeze it. He could clap/pound the ground so hard the vibrations destroy whatever technology holds it together. We're talking about a being with ever increasing strength the longer he fights.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Comic Hulk isn't being debated here and everyone knows that Banner isn't better than Hulk, if he was then he would have no problem controlling him also, that is Professor Hulk that is losing which is his 2nd weakest incarnation and not the normal savage one.
But you guys did touch on certain aspects of the Hulk's comics. All I did was to provide some visuals of his blunders. Besides you guys were talking different versions of the Hulk which do come from the comics. Do acknowledge you guys are discussing the comic version of Hulk.
I will, at this time remind that if the Hulk isn't protecting Connor then the T-1000 wouldn't even bother to fight the Hulk. Now, for the sake of argument let's say Hulk IS protecting Connor. Well, it would be scenario much similar to when Hulk is protecting Rick Jones. Despite Hulk's massive strength I doubt he would protect Connor properly.
In any case T-1000 would find a way to kill Connor. Once Connor is death...the T-1000 accomplish his mission. Either self destruct or shut down permanently.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarfYou are changing the scenario. I guess what might put you at ease would be if you imagined that the T-1000 was going after Hulk...which is basically what this thread is asking.
But you guys did touch on certain aspects of the Hulk's comics. All I did was to provide some visuals of his blunders. Besides you guys were talking different versions of the Hulk which do come from the comics. Do acknowledge you guys are discussing the comic version of Hulk.I will, at this time remind that if the Hulk isn't protecting Connor then the T-1000 wouldn't even bother to fight the Hulk. Now, for the sake of argument let's say Hulk IS protecting Connor. Well, it would be scenario much similar to when Hulk is protecting Rick Jones. Despite Hulk's massive strength I doubt he would protect Connor properly.
In any case T-1000 would find a way to kill Connor. Once Connor is death...the T-1000 accomplish his mission. Either self destruct or shut down permanently.
Glad I could help. You, now, should move the thread to the Movie Vs. Forum, where it belongs.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But you guys did touch on certain aspects of the Hulk's comics. All I did was to provide some visuals of his blunders.
Think about that.
We got off-topically side-tracked, and you spent time going through your boxes of comics to scan and upload images of a few "blunders". One of which was a fight he went on to emphatically win.
The hate is getting out of hand.
-AC