Originally posted by iceman24567
How would he stomp Hp Doomsday? Better yet how would he kill him?
Because Champion with his gem was simply on different level strength wise. Thor, Hulk, classic Sasquatch, classic Wonderman, Colossus, Thing, Drax, Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Warlock and She-Hulk were all dropped by Champion physically. And easily, I should add. Plus he's a superior H2H fighter, can't die, and doesn't get tired.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Doomsday doesn't get tired,h/p doomsday couldn't technically die which is why they had to resort to entropy
No, the given people fighting him (Darkseid, Superman, Waverider) couldn't kill him. That by no means implies he's unkillable.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
whats stoping doomsday from stealing the gem?
When you show me someone taking the gem from Champion, you'll have a good point.
And to clarify, my position is that they stalemate.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Champion a well written one with power gem will kill HP doomsday bottom line. HP Doomsday would not be able to hurt Champion at all with the ability to amp at will with the power of primordial.
i agree plus Champion is way too skilled of a fighter for doomsday to touch him prolly if champion did not wanna be touched
Champion has ZERO skill showings. 😐
"No, the given people fighting him (Darkseid, Superman, Waverider) couldn't kill him. That by no means implies he's unkillable. "
No, just that he evolves to attacks and evolves reactive defenses and weapons. The power gem doesn't grant total invulnerability to every kind of attack. And it's not that hard to put 2 and 2 together and see the little gem on his forehead. And before you say DD is an idiot, he has evolved intelligence, so it's not that hard a concept.
Champion had 2 showings with the gem. One was She-hulk. and the other was Thanos. Thanos is a slug and therefore couldn't grab the gem off his hand with a burst of speed. but Doomsday is an actual speedster and can evolve speed if needed. Also, Thanos didn't try to remove it, he just decided to let Champion **** himself over by provoking him into destroying the planet. And then he offered to take the gem off his hands in exchange for dropping him on a planet. smart tactic, but by no means a guarantee that the gem cannot be taken.
Seeing as how HP DD can adapt on the fly, I see no reason why DD couldn't evolve a way to defeat The Champion with the Gem.
Imo, I don't think The Champ has what it takes to take HP DD down. Superman used raw power against HP DD and that only goes so far. HP DD seemed to have evolved too high a resistance to physical punishment, for that to be an effective means of dealing with him.
Even if The Champion can take it to DD, I find it highly suspect he'd be able to KO him that quickly. And with that, the time granted allows DD to evolve an even higher resistance to the damage taken, making it an uphill fight for The Champion.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
HP Doomsday can adapt on the fly. Watch out comicdom.He also fought the Superman that was a lot weaker back then. Physical punishment isn't an option.
Ohhh, I see what you did there. You cheeky monkey you.
Superman also wore upgrades.
You're right though. Physical punishment isn't an option but, since HP has abilities to adapt, why wouldn't HP DD be able to develop the means to defeat The Champ?
You really think HP couldn't take the punishment? I'm not going to bother listing what HP DD has as far as his powers and abilities but, with that in mind, I don't see Champ, even with the power gem putting HP DD down.
HP DD could defeat everyone that Champion faced too.
Even if it's all Champion at first, it won't stay that way.
At best Champion could stalemate HP DD, imo.
Originally posted by geshienReported for racism.
Ohhh, I see what you did there. You cheeky monkey you.
Originally posted by geshienA healing factor and weapons isn't really relevant to physical strength.
Superman also wore upgrades.
Originally posted by geshienOh, I was being sarcastic. I totally think Doomsday can evolve past the Power Gem.
You're right though. Physical punishment isn't an option but, since HP has abilities to adapt, why wouldn't HP DD be able to develop the means to defeat The Champ?
Originally posted by geshienYou're drawing conclusions from things I never said. All I said was that everyone should watch out, because he can adapt, and he can't be put down by physical punishment because a weaker Superman didn't do it with a couple punches.
You really think HP couldn't take the punishment? I'm not going to bother listing what HP DD has as far as his powers and abilities but, with that in mind, I don't see Champ, even with the power gem putting HP DD down.HP DD could defeat everyone that Champion faced too.
Even if it's all Champion at first, it won't stay that way.
At best Champion could stalemate HP DD, imo.
But anyway...
What do you see taking HP down?
Good for him.
He's never taken a beating from someone as power as Champ... in HP. We don't know what would happen.
'imo.'
Let's keep it that way.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
Reported for racism.
We'll see. 😐
Originally posted by I'm Bran
A healing factor and weapons isn't really relevant to physical strength.
Actually, concerning a healing factor, to an extent, it does. And my point was to say that Supes had some tech to help.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
Oh, I was being sarcastic. I totally think Doomsday can evolve past the Power Gem.
Ah.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
You're drawing conclusions from things I never said. All I said was that everyone should watch out, because he can adapt, and he can't be put down by physical punishment because a weaker Superman didn't do it with a couple punches.
Which sounds ridiculous when you put it that way. Hence my assumptions.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
He's never taken a beating from someone as power as Champ... in HP. We don't know what would happen.
Fair enough but, that's why we debate. Seeing as how we'll never know all we can do is gather what we have and present our opinions.
And aren't we agreeing?
Originally posted by geshienYou'll see. I won't notice a difference.
We'll see. 😐
Originally posted by geshienNo, it doesn't.
Actually, concerning a healing factor, to an extent, it does. And my point was to say that Supes had some tech to help.
Yes. But it's not upgrades that would really make him off the charts powerful... or that much more.
Originally posted by geshien
Ah.
Originally posted by geshienOK.
Which sounds ridiculous when you put it that way. Hence my assumptions.
RIDICULOUS!!!
Originally posted by geshienNo it isn't.
Fair enough but, that's why we debate. Seeing as how we'll never know all we can do is gather what we have and present our opinions.
We can gather information, and make educated guesses, but when Champ is being beat near death, do we assume he suddenly makes a comeback because he has adapted to less?
I don't believe that's a good guess.
We might not know what happens, but I don't see that shit happening.
Originally posted by geshienNo.
And aren't we agreeing?
Originally posted by I'm Bran
No it isn't.We can gather information, and make educated guesses. When Champ is being beat near death, do we assume he suddenly makes a comeback because he has adapted to less?
I don't believe that's a good guess.We might not know what happens, but I don't see that shit happening.
Okay...I'm sorry, did I say something different?
Furthermore, I'm not saying Champ wins this. HP should win. Where are you getting this?
Originally posted by geshienYes. Your wording was different.
Okay...I'm sorry, did I say something different?Furthermore, I'm not saying Champ wins this. HP should win. Where are you getting this?
From dicking around with you (not actually involving a dick).
You want me to edit the name so you can read it?
Originally posted by I'm Bran
Yes. Your wording was different.From dicking around with you (not actually involving a dick).
😐 Yes, well...
Originally posted by I'm Bran
HP Doomsday can adapt on the fly. Watch out comicdom.He also fought the Superman that was a lot weaker back then. Physical punishment isn't an option.
This is where I think things went awry.
I thought you were being sarcastic here. So I replied which in effect gave you the impression that I was arguing in Champs defense.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
If I knew it would cause this uproar, I wouldn't have done it. Actually, I probably would have.
Oh, I'm sure you would.
Originally posted by I'm Bran
We can gather information, and make educated guesses, but when DD is being beat near death, do we assume he suddenly makes a comeback because he has adapted to less?
I don't believe that's a good guess.We might not know what happens, but I don't see that shit happening.
I never said he'd get beat to a near death state, because I don't think it goes that way.
And if he were to suffer that kind of assault I don't think he'd be making a come back, but again, I'm doubtful the scenario even plays out that way.