Orion Vs Karate Kid w/twist

Orion isn't as skilled. For a top tier, he is the best, but not on PC Val.

OP said ZH Val, not PC.

Zero Hour was essentially on Pre-Crisis Val level. Able to tag Flash level characters (Don Allen), Able to dodge Mon-El, and is skilled in EVERY martial arts in the universe. More than Orion can say.

No one is claiming he is Val's equal, just that he is comparable which is still very impressive.

look i have already give you guys the issue to prove that orion martial arts skills is comparable to karate kid

I know what Orion can do. He is one of my fav characters, but those issue don't prove anything.

have you read these issue.

Of course I have. I'm an Orion fanboy. I just don't think he's on Val's leauge, seeing that Val has MASTERED every MA in the universe. Where has Orion said this? Unless I'm forgetting something.

Mastering different style of martial arts in the universe dose not make you a skilled fighter. All it prove is that you know different form of fighting art is all about the individual skills. Take Lobo for example he not a martial arist he a brwaler but he is class has one of the top fighter in the universe because his street fighting skills rival that of a top martial arist in the DC universe. The reason why orion and karate are class has top fighters is not because they know countless martial arts arcross the universe is because they can do superhuman fighting technique that is nearly impossible for a humanoid to do. That the reason why karate kid is able to hold is own against superboy not because he has masterd countless martial arts style arcross the universe is because his fighting skills are superhuman allowing him to perform superhuman blows.

Originally posted by beast1234
Mastering different style of martial arts in the universe dose not make you a skilled fighter. All it prove is that you know different form of fighting art is all about the individual skills. Take Lobo for example he not a martial arist he a brwaler but he is class has one of the top fighter in the universe because his street fighting skills rival that of a top martial arist in the DC universe. The reason why orion and karate are class has top fighters is not because they know countless martial arts arcross the universe is because they can do superhuman fighting technique that is nearly impossible for a humanoid to do. That the reason why karate kid is able to hold is own against superboy not because he has masterd countless martial arts style arcross the universe is because his fighting skills are superhuman allowing him to perform superhuman blows.

Oh, I agree with most of that, BUT Val did state he knows a form of martial art that enables him to combat meta humans.

In new god issue 2 vol.3 Orion single handly took on the Monitors by using sheer fighting skills. Orion stated that they fighting skills are legendary meaning that they are deadly fighters by Orion standed.

orion wins

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Never said that. Since you're quoting Inertron and Eye of Ekron, I'm guessing this is one of the uber versions of Val?

Ignoring that he's been beaten before.

Originally posted by I'm Bran
You just used a feat where Orion had fatal wounds to every part of his body and healed very fast from it. How are you supposed to put someone down that has done that?

Ignoring that he's been beaten before.

I see what you're doing you naughty son of a bitch.

Originally posted by batdude123
I see what you're doing you naughty son of a b[b]itch. [/B]

hmm

Orion is one of the most powerful warrior in the universe

Has Val ever beaten a Superman level character in a prolonged fistfight?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Has Val ever beaten a Superman level character in a prolonged fistfight?

Zero Hour Val made a kryptonian level being cough up blood and dodged equus. Also sparred with Mon-el, who is physically above Orion in strength.

In new god vol.3 issue 2 Orion took on six Monitors. The Monitors(new genesis elite soldiers) are one of the deadly fighters in the universe Orion stated that they fighting skills are legendary meaning that they are deadly fighters by Orion standed and he took them on single handly by using relaying his martial arts skills.